Plug under comfort seat

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Hi folks,

Question for you all... my bike doesn't have heated seats, don't have the option on the menu. Yet the driver seat has a plug in it and it's connected to the bike.

Does anyone know what said plug is for?

If it was a car I would imagine pressure sensor for SRS system (airbag/seat belt) but in this case... ?


Cheers,
Rami
 
rear heated seat is an extra with a physical switch on the left side of the seat...

front seat heater is what the wires are for - not sure you'll need it today - did you check the user manual re insane user menus on the cluster - unlike the 1250, they stole the real switch for the front one and buried it in 1000 pages of unfathomable detritus
 
I think it's all there for a heated seat but you have to pay BMW for it to be added to the software and activated.
 
rear heated seat is an extra with a physical switch on the left side of the seat...

front seat heater is what the wires are for - not sure you'll need it today - did you check the user manual re insane user menus on the cluster - unlike the 1250, they stole the real switch for the front one and buried it in 1000 pages of unfathomable detritus

Such nonsense.
 
I think it's all there for a heated seat but you have to pay BMW for it to be added to the software and activated.

You think I have the heating element there and it's just blocked by software? That'll be kind of nuts.

I mean, what happens if I buy a heated seat online? I'd expect to just plug it in and pop up on the menu.

Anyone with a heated seat can confirm if there's more than one plug?

I guess I could throw 12v to the plug and see if the seat heats up?
 
Well.... Got curious and went out to the shed.

Yes, I 100% have a heated sit (driver) on my bike that's just not enabled by software.

I put 12v to the plug on the seat and heated up to 30° nicely in a few seconds.

I guess I'll try to talk to my dealer, but since I bought the bike used and not from them I doubt I'll get any favors.

Motoscan can't program it, so worse case scenario I'll put a relay and switch in the winter.

Anyone knows any tool to be able to program it without going to BMW themselves?
 
You think I have the heating element there and it's just blocked by software? That'll be kind of nuts.

I mean, what happens if I buy a heated seat online? I'd expect to just plug it in and pop up on the menu.
you mean if you bought a BMW heated seat online... and not an aftermarket one you wire in manually ?

why should it just work ? - if no one for this bike paid to have that BMW feature then it won't have it... till you pay for them to add it

I wrote something at the weekend... I hadn't thought about it - but its a no brainer for the Bikes to play catch up with their Cars
And we may end up loosing out of coding and messing about that people are now thinking is simple and easy - it may already no longer be a free choice regardless of aftermarket diagnostics equipment capability

not sure they have a secure gateway on latest bikes - but maybe

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With the introduction of the new R1300GS/A and R12/nineT/GS, BMW has changed the internal CAN Bus layout and interconnections between different functions so that the Body Domain Controller now serves as the gateway to the internal diagnostics for the vehicle. In addition, they have also changed how controllers are coded in that coding of a controller now happens through a series of encryption and decryption steps. This is known as coding v2.0 and logically poses a challenge to any 3rd party tools that want to make arbitrary changes on a controller in order to allow custom functionality. As far as we can establish, coding v2.0 requires communication with the BMW server in Germany in order to change a controller's configuration. Therefore, it is currently impossible to change the configuration in e.g. the Instrument Cluster or the Body Controller, from within a standalone tool.


cars are all moving to secure gateways - Manufacturers are keen to prevent any unauthorised modifications. With secure gateway access, only authorised individuals or technicians are granted the ability to make changes to the vehicle's software or configurations. This measure aids in preventing unauthorised modifications that could lead to malfunctions, performance issues, or potential safety risks.

BMW cars are far more advanced down this route - it comes with two main drivers

A) vehicle theft and fitted of used parts on other vehicles
on the theft side - in car entertainment idrive headunits for the last 4 years are now programmed to self destruct if you try to fit on other vehicles - What's new - Cross-exchange and component theft protection

With the introduction of the I20 and the following models, component theft protection was introduced.
This is achieved by coupling the components to the vehicle's central control unit.
The following components are currently combined: Gear selector, iDrive controller, BZM, the head unit, airbag unit and radar sensor.
If one or more of the protected components is replaced, the connection with the central control unit must be reinitialised.
This is done with the help of Secure Tokens.
The necessary tokens are provided by the BMW backend system when the replaced component is a new part.
Components that have been removed from other vehicles (cross-exchange) do not generate a token
.


B) BMW cars - subscription services for add-on features
things like heated seats can be bought for monthly use in the winter - because this is a revenue stream for BMW, they need to stop people just enabling with a tick box using third party tools
https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/shop/ls/dp/Seat_Heating_SFA_gb

Activation after purchase is quick and easy using over-the-air download:

Add the ConnectedDrive upgrade to your shopping cart. Enter your payment details and confirm the purchase.
You will receive an email confirmation after we check your contract.
The service is then activated in your vehicle – or at the latest the next time you drive your BMW for a longer time (some services also require manual activation in the vehicle). This process may take several minutes.
If the service has not been activated by the end of your drive, please do the following:

Use the BMW ConnectedDrive Store in your vehicle to check if it is online. To activate services, the BMW ConnectedDrive Store in your vehicle must be connected to the internet.
Use the BMW ConnectedDrive Store in your vehicle to check if it is activated. If it shows the status “In activation” for more than 3 days, please contact ConnectedDrive Customer Support.
 
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You think I have the heating element there and it's just blocked by software? That'll be kind of nuts.

I mean, what happens if I buy a heated seat online? I'd expect to just plug it in and pop up on the menu.

Anyone with a heated seat can confirm if there's more than one plug?

I guess I could throw 12v to the plug and see if the seat heats up?
You might have to sit in it too :-) , might have a on\off pressure switch built into the seat :-) . Not sure how they control the heat either , they may pulse the voltage\amps at different rates to control the heat ??. They have 3 heat settings all controlled but the bike software so iits not simply on or off control. Might work if you put 12v to the seat plug, let's us know.

It's not too unusual these days to put all the hardware in place and then charge for activating it. I think KTM do it with the quick shifter on some bikes. It's all there but if you want to use it you have to pay to be to activate it.
In future a lot of things may go to subscription based service where you have pay annually. Hope not, but that's where the money is these days, in software & not hardware.
 
Well.... Got curious and went out to the shed.

Yes, I 100% have a heated sit (driver) on my bike that's just not enabled by software.

I put 12v to the plug on the seat and heated up to 30° nicely in a few seconds.

I guess I'll try to talk to my dealer, but since I bought the bike used and not from them I doubt I'll get any favors.

Motoscan can't program it, so worse case scenario I'll put a relay and switch in the winter.

Anyone knows any tool to be able to program it without going to BMW themselves?
Heated seat is an option in the TFT menus that just isn't there if you haven't chosen it. Don't think the dealer will be able to do anything without plugging the bike in to connect to HQ and BMW will activate it from their end after payment??.

Don't think it was very expensive to add "heated seat" in the configurator when doing a new bike. £150 from memory , but don't know if they can add it afterwards or the cost.
Be interesting for others to hear what your dealer says.
 
You think I have the heating element there and it's just blocked by software? That'll be kind of nuts.

I mean, what happens if I buy a heated seat online? I'd expect to just plug it in and pop up on the menu.

Anyone with a heated seat can confirm if there's more than one plug?

I guess I could throw 12v to the plug and see if the seat heats up?
Not that odd considering that with BMW cars you have to pay an annual fee to keep the heated steering wheel functional
 
You might have to sit in it too :-) , might have a on\off pressure switch built into the seat :-) . Not sure how they control the heat either , they may pulse the voltage\amps at different rates to control the heat ??. They have 3 heat settings all controlled but the bike software so iits not simply on or off control. Might work if you put 12v to the seat plug, let's us know.

It's not too unusual these days to put all the hardware in place and then charge for activating it. I think KTM do it with the quick shifter on some bikes. It's all there but if you want to use it you have to pay to be to activate it.
In future a lot of things may go to subscription based service where you have pay annually. Hope not, but that's where the money is these days, in software & not hardware.

Doesn't seem to be a pressure switch, no. And you're correct, the way these heating elements are controlled is either by resistance or time where they'll pulse in certain intervals controlled by the can bus aystem
Heated seat is an option in the TFT menus that just isn't there if you haven't chosen it. Don't think the dealer will be able to do anything without plugging the bike in to connect to HQ and BMW will activate it from their end after payment??.

Don't think it was very expensive to add "heated seat" in the configurator when doing a new bike. £150 from memory , but don't know if they can add it afterwards or the cost.
Be interesting for others to hear what your dealer says.
Ya, I would have selected it, but bought the bike used and I think it's the only option not ticked. I was looking into buying the seats second hand but now this has triggered a whole another conversation, lol
Not that odd considering that with BMW cars you have to pay an annual fee to keep the heated steering wheel functional
It's crazy, many manufacturers do the same. Where the hardware is present but not activated via software.

In this case, it's crazy because I'm sure there are seats without the heating element. I get that the wiring is there for all bikes but crazy to think they give you the seat as well.

Cheers lads!
 
I get that the wiring is there for all bikes but crazy to think they give you the seat as well.
It's probably cheaper to make just a single seat, rather than 2 variants... it's not just the manufacturing cost, it's logistics, assembly, warehousing etc. etc. Add to this, the chance of people paying a few hundred quid to have it "activated"...
 
shame you missed the answer I posted 3 hrs ago

With secure gateway access, only authorised individuals or technicians are granted the ability to make changes to the vehicle's software or configurations.

BMW cars - subscription services for add-on features
things like heated seats can be bought for monthly use in the winter - because this is a revenue stream for BMW, they need to stop people just enabling with a tick box using third party tools
https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/shop/ls/dp/Seat_Heating_SFA_gb
 
It's probably cheaper to make just a single seat, rather than 2 variants... it's not just the manufacturing cost, it's logistics, assembly, warehousing etc. etc. Add to this, the chance of people paying a few hundred quid to have it "activated"...
Ya, that's probably true. But I believe there's seats without it...
 


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