About the same - perhaps a little bit less - than a Tourance. For me that's ~10k on a rear, 15k on a front.
About the same - perhaps a little bit less - than a Tourance. For me that's ~10k on a rear, 15k on a front.
Old Gregg
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Thanks everyone. I've put a set of Pilot Road 2's on the last couple of commuting bikes I've had as well as a ZX-6R and I can't really fault them but the reviews of the Roadsmarts are getting difficult to ignore. I think I might give them a go as they top the charts for wet grip which is really what counts in this country!
Hopefully I'll still be able to wear my toe sliders out on those!
Hopefully I'll still be able to wear my toe sliders out on those!
bmwrover
Registered user
I second that, have them on the GSA and loads of confidence on the recent Dolomite trip. You can scratch toes, pegs, main stand, panniers and still feel planted:
Thanks everyone. I've put a set of Pilot Road 2's on the last couple of commuting bikes I've had as well as a ZX-6R and I can't really fault them but the reviews of the Roadsmarts are getting difficult to ignore. I think I might give them a go as they top the charts for wet grip which is really what counts in this country!
Hopefully I'll still be able to wear my toe sliders out on those!
I am getting new tyres on Saturday and the tyre company kept telling me they couldn't get hold of a front tyre so I emailed Dunlop and this was there reply:
Hi Dave,
>
> We've been in touch with the factory to find out when the next production
> runs is and for you I'm afraid it's not good news. The next run is
> scheduled for end of July, so realistically this means we won't see any
> until early August.
>
> I'm afraid that these days we're a victim of the success of our tyres.
> Excellent media reports and word of mouth between riders means that demand
> for the Roadsmart and new Qualifier II sports tyre is way ahead of
> expectations. Having made the first batch of 110/80R19 Roadsmarts for
> Europe, our HQ believed we'd have enough until the next production run,
> which as we've now found is slated for July, but it appears that European
> shelves were stripped bare and stocks were soon exhausted.
>
> Sorry about that
>
> Bryn Phillips
> Sales & Product Support Manager, Motorcycle
> Dunlop Tyres UK Ltd
So if you need them soon I think you wil be out of luck
Dave
Dick Dastardly
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Good review that one............
mad mart
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tyres
old gregg, have you considered a set of continental road attacks, myself and a friend have fitted these to our gs12 and we are both delighted with handling and grip levels. bike runs real smooth and falls into corners,not sure bout wear weve only had them on 1k or so. we both ride fast,no chicken strips etc,they grip just like any decent sport tyre would. martin
old gregg, have you considered a set of continental road attacks, myself and a friend have fitted these to our gs12 and we are both delighted with handling and grip levels. bike runs real smooth and falls into corners,not sure bout wear weve only had them on 1k or so. we both ride fast,no chicken strips etc,they grip just like any decent sport tyre would. martin
Old Gregg
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Martin,
I did not consider Conti's as I have an irrational dislike of the brand. A couple of mates had them and hated them so much that he binned them after just 700 miles. He said they felt like he was riding on white lines in the wet even when it was dry! (He has a H***a Transalp BTW).
I would also never use Metzeler tyres ever again, I had a set of MEZ4's on my Yamaha FJR1300 and they are the worst tyres I've ever had the misfortune to use. I've been told that Metzeler and Pirelli are pretty much the same brand these days and I've not enjoyed a bike wearing Pirelli boots.
The whole tyre thing is so subjective you'll never get people to agree on what's best. I'd never buy Metzelers yet other people would buy nothing else.
Hopefully Alan Jeffries can get me a pair of Roadsmarts Dave. I think there's just about enough meat on my Battlewings to last until the end of July without risk of slipping and sliding around on a slick. I'd rather wait for them rather than getting something else entirely. Thanks for the heads up though.
I did not consider Conti's as I have an irrational dislike of the brand. A couple of mates had them and hated them so much that he binned them after just 700 miles. He said they felt like he was riding on white lines in the wet even when it was dry! (He has a H***a Transalp BTW).
I would also never use Metzeler tyres ever again, I had a set of MEZ4's on my Yamaha FJR1300 and they are the worst tyres I've ever had the misfortune to use. I've been told that Metzeler and Pirelli are pretty much the same brand these days and I've not enjoyed a bike wearing Pirelli boots.
The whole tyre thing is so subjective you'll never get people to agree on what's best. I'd never buy Metzelers yet other people would buy nothing else.
Hopefully Alan Jeffries can get me a pair of Roadsmarts Dave. I think there's just about enough meat on my Battlewings to last until the end of July without risk of slipping and sliding around on a slick. I'd rather wait for them rather than getting something else entirely. Thanks for the heads up though.
jogo
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Metzeler Z6 on mine please. I did gain so much more confidence with them both in wet and dry, especially with passenger and some luggage after having got rid of the IMO lousy Anakees that were originally fitted.
...one can get the impression that not the tires are that different but the people using them on their bikes....I seem to remember that this was figured out here at an earlier occation as well.
...one can get the impression that not the tires are that different but the people using them on their bikes....I seem to remember that this was figured out here at an earlier occation as well.
Avon Azaro front, Avon Storm rear. It was the fastest (read grippiest??) around the track when Ride/Bike tested a whole load of tyres on the GS a while back. They work for me
http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/resources/6795/assets/images/FAQs/tyres/bike_r1200gs_tyres_7.jpg
And their puncture warranty helps the decision too:-
http://www.avonmoto.com/downloads/Avon_Road_Hazard_2009_form.pdf
+1, love 'em!
pugster
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Had oe Tourances on and really likes them but off to the alps next week so I thought I'd put some new boots on so put a set of Conti Road Attacks on my 05 and they grip well (though not riden in wet yet ) but just got back from a 400 mile trip mainly on motorways and it had the occasional straight line weave like a mild tank slapper. Settled down as soon as I accelerate but was definatley there.
I thought at first that it might be wind conditions but it did it for the whole trip.
Anyone with experience of this on the roadattacks or any other tyre?
I thought at first that it might be wind conditions but it did it for the whole trip.
Anyone with experience of this on the roadattacks or any other tyre?
heathy
Registered user
yep, i get a weave on the conti trail attack from about 70mph upto about 90. its not dramatic but def not right. not sure i like certain other characteristcs of this tyre including slow speed corners when cranked over they feel like riding on cobbles. seem gripy though but def trying to roadsmarts. previously on dunlop 607 and very happy with them.
pugster
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Not just me then!
Anyone with experience of Continental after sales, ie returning the tyres?
Because if this is a fault (read characteristic!!!) then I would probably like to cahnge back to me Tourances!!
steviegasgas
Registered user
Contis are okay, so are most tyres!
Had tourances on, were good, had conti trail attack on, were good, need another set on and will maybe try something else, maybe!
Nearly every tyre has some different feel to it, any tyre can feel different from the same type depending on age and when made.
I think nearly every tyre has more grip than we usually need, also things to consider.... weaving, that has more to do with the rider input or weight distribution, slow turning, much the same, also what somebody feels, you will probably never feel in a million years, its a bum thing!!
I wouldnt let one persons review of a tyre put me off it, if there was 40 people saying something is up then there probably is!
Try them all, stick with one brand, whatever! But enjoy the ride!!
Had tourances on, were good, had conti trail attack on, were good, need another set on and will maybe try something else, maybe!
Nearly every tyre has some different feel to it, any tyre can feel different from the same type depending on age and when made.
I think nearly every tyre has more grip than we usually need, also things to consider.... weaving, that has more to do with the rider input or weight distribution, slow turning, much the same, also what somebody feels, you will probably never feel in a million years, its a bum thing!!
I wouldnt let one persons review of a tyre put me off it, if there was 40 people saying something is up then there probably is!
Try them all, stick with one brand, whatever! But enjoy the ride!!
GSband
Registered user
+1
I think the 'riding on cobbles' feel is due to the different temperatures at which shoulders and centre are baked; this leads to uneven wear.
I've posted some pics here : http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174629&highlight=trail+attack
pugster
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I agree that i can make my own mind up and that tyres are really subjective, but, some bikes and tyres just don't mix otherwise the manufacturers wouldn't have to make specific tyres for specific models like they sometimes have to do.
Regarding the weave I can assure you it isn't to do with rider input, damping or weight distribution. It happened for nearly the whole of both of my journeys to Oxford from Bolton on wed & thur. Different weather conditions and it did it on smooth tarmac when riding between 80 & 90 mph, bumps or undulations didn't set it off, it just happened.
I tried a diferent seat position on the return journey and that made no difference, I rode with a very light grip on the bars and it still happened, tried sitting in different fore and aft seat positions and it still happened, tried riding with weight on the pegs instead of seat and it still happened. The only thing I did that made it better was to increase throttle and pull out of it.
The most telling bit about it is that I never had any issues with the Tourances, even when it was almost worn out.
It has to be a tyre issue specific to the Continental! Maybe I should start a new thread just about the weave and see how many others have had it.
Graham
pugster
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Sorry forgot to add, the tyres are brand new. This was their first ride, other than scrubbing in, and I went for them over the Tourances that I really liked becuase I am off to the alps and am not planning on getting the bike dirty.
Interesting looking at those pictures GSBAND.
Graham
Interesting looking at those pictures GSBAND.
Graham
heathy
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i totally agree with the comments made above, although on this ocassion you are wrong. i'ts definitely the tyre although i suspect its mine thats a duff one (too many others dont have the same problem) rather than the design as such. I'm getting rid, which is a shame as, grip wise, i had no issues.
steviegasgas
Registered user
Haha, okay, I will amend my previous thought, weaving is caused mainly by rider input, UNLESS, yer tyre is duff!!!
The beauty of these posts is that very quickly we can find out peoples feelings on a tyre, which is great!!
I would love to go on one of the mags tyre back to back tests where you have no idea what tyre is on, then ride them all to compare!
On tyres though we all have distinct views, i was always bridgestone, back in my trackday phase! But when they were being pushed there wasnt much warning till they let go, but solid as until then, whereas the pirelli had bit more movement, felt on the edge more, but gave you warning. But the tyres have all come on since then so wouldnt be fair of me to still think that of the bridgestone!
Anyway, there was a bike mag recently that put touring tyres on three bikes and compared them to track and sticky road tyres, the touring were all of 2-4seconds slower in the lap, so that gives me confidence when out on me old bus, in a bend, in the wet!!
Enjoy yer tyres, enjoy the banter on here!! Cheers
pugster
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Spot on, tyres are really subjective.
Loved Pilot race when I raced an Aprilia RS250, couldn't ride quick on anything else. Swapped to a Honda RS250 and couldn't run quick on anything but Dunlop KR364's.
On the GS when I got it I liked the Tourances and will probably go back to them but will have to suffer the weave for a while cause I can't afford to change the Conti's at the mo.
The only other thought I have had is whether it's bar input from wind blast. I have the Touratech extenders on the top of the hand guards and wonder if wind blast coming around the screen may buffet them causing bar input and ,ergo, the weave. I was going to fit some winglets before I go away anyway so I'll report if it changes anything. Subjectively I don't think so becasue, again, it didn't do it on the Tourances but you never know till you try.
Graham
Loved Pilot race when I raced an Aprilia RS250, couldn't ride quick on anything else. Swapped to a Honda RS250 and couldn't run quick on anything but Dunlop KR364's.
On the GS when I got it I liked the Tourances and will probably go back to them but will have to suffer the weave for a while cause I can't afford to change the Conti's at the mo.
The only other thought I have had is whether it's bar input from wind blast. I have the Touratech extenders on the top of the hand guards and wonder if wind blast coming around the screen may buffet them causing bar input and ,ergo, the weave. I was going to fit some winglets before I go away anyway so I'll report if it changes anything. Subjectively I don't think so becasue, again, it didn't do it on the Tourances but you never know till you try.
Graham
Old Gregg
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Dreaded Phonecall
Well I had the bike booked in for tyres on Friday of this week and I've just had the phonecall I was expecting. No Roadsmarts available in the UK for the foreseeable future, (as advised by Dave on page 2).
I have around 5-600 miles until the rear is touch and go so I may well have to go for something else instead. I might just replace the rear with another Battlewing 502 as the front has plenty left on it and upgrade to the Dunlops next time. I'm a bit gutted though as I was looking forward to getting these on the bike to see what it can do.
On a similar topic, my bike has the optional tyre pressure moitors fitted and when I bought it Alan Jeffries said that it would be better for them to replace the tyres. That way if a sensor was damaged they'd replace it FOC. I think it may just be scare tactics but I have a seed of doubt. They quoted £230 to supply, fit and balance a pair of Roadsmarts, (ride in ride out), which I thought sounded pretty good until I read some of the prices some of you guys have paid.
Has anyone had any experience of sensors being damaged by a feckless mechanical fitter?
Well I had the bike booked in for tyres on Friday of this week and I've just had the phonecall I was expecting. No Roadsmarts available in the UK for the foreseeable future, (as advised by Dave on page 2).
I have around 5-600 miles until the rear is touch and go so I may well have to go for something else instead. I might just replace the rear with another Battlewing 502 as the front has plenty left on it and upgrade to the Dunlops next time. I'm a bit gutted though as I was looking forward to getting these on the bike to see what it can do.
On a similar topic, my bike has the optional tyre pressure moitors fitted and when I bought it Alan Jeffries said that it would be better for them to replace the tyres. That way if a sensor was damaged they'd replace it FOC. I think it may just be scare tactics but I have a seed of doubt. They quoted £230 to supply, fit and balance a pair of Roadsmarts, (ride in ride out), which I thought sounded pretty good until I read some of the prices some of you guys have paid.
Has anyone had any experience of sensors being damaged by a feckless mechanical fitter?
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