R100CS Barn Find Re-commission

I'll take some photos highlighting the areas that need most attention. It's not a decision that I've come to lightly and there's still a part of me that wants to leave it, however it's a 60/40 sway towards restoring it. If it was just patina from use then I'd leave it but it's gone further than that and is quite rusty / corroded in places. Not serious structural corrosion but a fair bit of surface rust. The photos I post up will give more of an idea.
I don't have to justify my decision to anyone, however I will highlight some areas that don't come across on any of the photos that I've posted up here so far.
 
" I would leave it as is, and I think it will be better for it :rob nobody needs another museum piece :( bit like saying your going to "restore" the mona lisa :D


You think that, in 512 years, the Mona Lisa has has not been maintained and occasionally restored? Dream on!

I've seen the bike and the alternative to restoration is deterioration. It's an airhead BMW from a few years back. There's probably the odd one about completely original and yet immaculate. This isn't one of those. It would do a much greater service to it to sympathetically restore it and then use it as intended. The restoration will become as much a part of its history as the rest of its life has been. Chris will do a nice job of it, I'm sure,
 
Do it Chris. It was built to be ridden and it'll ride longer, better and more reliably if it's properly sorted and the deterioration halted.

Frankly, I'm sure early BMWs were beautifully finished but, as we're often told, after the whatever-it-was series it all went to rats. The paintwork you've done for me is better than I've seen on any factory bike so you'll only be improving it. I have absolutely no comprehension of why people think some off the production line car or motorcycle has to be left that way until the end of time - it's ludicrous.
 
Chris, initially, having seen your bike photos in it's just cleaned condition I thought no, don't restore it. Having seen your latest photos I would think you right to restore it. That's beyond patination.
 
A great thread looking forward to the fully restored picks if not in the flesh don't think it will be a cheap hobbie but in the end it will be a great bike
 
The paintwork you've done for me is better than I've seen on any factory bike so you'll only be improving it. I have absolutely no comprehension of why people think some off the production line car or motorcycle has to be left that way until the end of time - it's ludicrous.

Look through some of the older threads in here and you will see a lot of critique on over restored R90S's in particular. It is very hard to emulate the original factory finish and that to me is a real shame.

I'm really not a fan of museum pieces. My 100gs sees a lot of life and I repaint panels as required but it's not long before I throw it down a track somewhere again and it has to be redone.
 
Look through some of the older threads in here and you will see a lot of critique on over restored R90S's in particular. It is very hard to emulate the original factory finish and that to me is a real shame.

I'm really not a fan of museum pieces. My 100gs sees a lot of life and I repaint panels as required but it's not long before I throw it down a track somewhere again and it has to be redone.

I certainly won't be 'over restoring' it, It'll be just right and it absolutely definitely won't become some museum piece that doesn't get used. I plan to make it like new again and use it regularly.
Thing is, it's not a GS so won't get blasted up gravel trails and ridden through muddy troughs etc so once restored I can use it as it was intended!
 
If I may so, I think it'd be wrong not to attend to the obvious deterioration. Rust on any bike needs attending to at some time in it's life.
It'll still be the same bike, ready for many more years of love and attention.
 
I really enjoyed reading through that - thanks for posting and agree 100% that the final photos totally justify some work whereas it doesn't look too bad in the post MOT pictures.

My father-in-law to be has a couple of airheads along with a few other bikes and his absolute favourite bike is his R100CS - it was donated to him by a friend for use as a parts bike to make a kit car :eek: - luckily he decided to save it :cool:

Looking forward to further updates:thumby:
 
Well there has been a bit of a development ......

I'm not going to start work on the bike until the winter as I intend to use her until the weather gets nasty. However I've been starting my research early and making a list of parts that I'll need in preparation for restoration. This has thrown up a bit of a mystery ......

The bike left the factory as a 506 scheme which is Classic black with gold pinstripes. The bike is now wearing a very dark slate grey paint job which is a gorgeous colour, the nose cone and front mudguard are however proper classic black. I called George today and asked if it had ever been painted. Apparently in 1984 he clonked into the back of a car in traffic and cracked the front mudguard and scratched the nose cone. The bike went back to the dealer for repairs and that was that. It appears that they repaired the bike according to the original paint scheme of 506 Classic black. I asked George if any other paint had been done and it hadn't. The tank, side panels and seat panel are as they left the showroom but they're not 506 Classic black! I know a little bit about painting bikes and I would stake my life on the fact that this bike was in that colour from new, I've even had a good look under the tank and I can see absolutely no signs of a colour change.
Rob Farmer and I have been back and forth today with a few PM's without a conclusive outcome, his suggestion is that the dealer may have had it painted when new in order to clear it from the showroom, that makes sense as it was registered in 1983 and might have been considered a run out model. If they did then fair play to the painter as they did a superb job! Sadly it's now quite worse for wear.
Question is ...... what colour should I restore it back to?? :blast
Have a look at the photo below, you can see the difference between the standard black nose cone and the tank.

_MG_7764 by tunneruk, on Flickr
 
Well, for originalities sake if you are restoring it I would defo go for the factory finish scheme, rather than some other aftermrket/custom/dealer job.

Just my 0.02p worth

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I think I'm inclined to agree with all the above posts regarding the colour, I really do like the slate grey colour but I'll be restoring it back to Classic black .... and it'll be gorgeous! ;)
 
I'd go for the original (if that's what it really is) black too. Only because I like it though.

However there is an alternative viewpoint. I'm currently doing up a 300 year old building which has been in a pretty much constant state of change since it was built. There are many occasions when you look at a room and ask yourself 'at which point in its life do I want to work to'? Original would be, well, original but not necessarily best - for instance it would have no gas, electricity or running water. Oh and it would be a bank - which might not be so bad!

I think there is an equally valid point in favour of doing a bike up as a tidy version of what it was when you got it. Changes, mods, etc are all part of its history and their history is part of the fascination.

A friend of mine has a small but exquisite collection of Japanese swords. The pride of his collection is a 700 year old spear sword. It is in a wooden box inside the lid of which are columns of Japanese writing describing the entire history of the blade - who made it, when, for whom, for which battle and the names of everyone who has ever owned it. It was one of 250 and there are three known examples left. A sword museum in Japan has one, the Smithsonian Institute another and then there's his. He freely admits that he shouldn't really have it, that he's punching well above his weight to have managed to acquire such a significant piece, but he has. One day I asked him if he was going to have his name added to the list in the lid and he looked at me as if I were mad - to desecrate this piece of history. I pointed out that, in my opinion, to omit his name from the list would be destroy the integrity of the history of the piece. Who was he to suddenly decide that collectors of the future should not know this period of its history?

Not everything has to remain original it is interesting to see an original object but only interesting. In practical terms it is somewhat more interesting to see how people have changed things from there original state because that better reflects the tastes and necessities of their times.

I'll give a final example, one that many will know about (but it's worth a Google search and a visit to Brooklands museum if you don't). The Napier Railton, built in about 1933 with some old Railton limo chassis and a WW1 Napier Lion aero engine, it is the Brooklands lap record holder, set dozens of speed records, was even used as a test bed for aircraft braking systems whilst owned by GQ Parachutes. It's still run and it's my favourite motor vehicle on Earth by a fair margin. Part of the fascination for me is its rich and varied history. I'm sure there are those who would insist that the engine would have been better off left in the aircraft and the chassis in the limo. Maybe GQ Parachutes shouldn't have put a pair of huge disc brakes on the back either - but I'm glad they did.

Chris, it's yours. Paint it whatever colour you want. BMW sold it, if they'd wanted it to stay the same forever they would have kept it! Main thing is use it and enjoy it.
 


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