R12 G/S Enduro

[computer_freak]

At 8Kg heavier and 2.5 litres less fuel capacity its not that much of a benefit (which is far out weighed by the Urban's terrible suspension)

Servicing at a main dealer is around the same cost and I cant see any issues with being Euro 5+

No idea why you think a replacement drive shaft is required every 12K miles ?

Service cost of the R 12 G/S over the lifetime of the bike is about double that of the Urban G/S. You need to service the driveshaft every 12k miles, replace the driveshaft it every 24k miles and service the forks every 18k miles. The rest of the service on both bikes is the same.

Luckily BMW uses cheaper driveshafts on the R12 G/S than the ones on the Urban G/S and R1200GS. Or perhaps that is the reason they don't last as long. Maybe replacing the driveshaft for one from an R1200GS can extend the service interval to 48k miles, something that has to be tested.

Problem with Euro5+ is the extra sensors that could fail. Plus, in the future if your cat degrades you will have a check-engine-light on the dashboard, which currently isn't an MOT failure but could become one on the future. On the Urban G/S you don't have these issues. So it would be nice if these could be coded out to prevent future problems.

The post-cat sensor (I believe) is placed with the wire routed around the swingarm. Looks like that could become problematic.

Last point on the R12 G/S is that the right switchgear is prone to water intrusion, but there is a recall for all R12 and R1300GS bikes so that is a free fix if that becomes a problem.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Service cost of the R 12 G/S over the lifetime of the bike is about double that of the Urban G/S. You need to service the driveshaft every 12k miles, replace the driveshaft it every 24k miles and service the forks every 18k miles. The rest of the service on both bikes is the same.

Luckily BMW uses cheaper driveshafts on the R12 G/S than the ones on the Urban G/S and R1200GS. Or perhaps that is the reason they don't last as long. Maybe replacing the driveshaft for one from an R1200GS can extend the service interval to 48k miles, something that has to be tested.

Problem with Euro5+ is the extra sensors that could fail. Plus, in the future if your cat degrades you will have a check-engine-light on the dashboard, which currently isn't an MOT failure but could become one on the future. On the Urban G/S you don't have these issues. So it would be nice if these could be coded out to prevent future problems.

The post-cat sensor (I believe) is placed with the wire routed around the swingarm. Looks like that could become problematic.

Last point on the R12 G/S is that the right switchgear is prone to water intrusion, but there is a recall for all R12 and R1300GS bikes so that is a free fix if that becomes a problem.

Why are they using cheaper driveshafts on R12 G/S and why are they replacing driveshafts at certain mileages ?

Earlier bmw shaft drives would last indefinitely

 

[computer_freak]

Why are they using cheaper driveshafts on R12 G/S and why are they replacing driveshafts at certain mileages ?

Earlier bmw shaft drives would last indefinitely

The driveshaft service/replacement milage is from the user manual and I have confirmed it with the dealer.

Most R Nine T models and the R1200GS,S,R,RT and HP2 Sport use part number 33 73 9 898 679 for the driveshaft which sets you back £ 785 but for the R 12 G/S the part number is 33 71 5 A9D 7D7 at a cost of £ 550

No clue why the R 12 G/S driveshaft is cheaper. Perhaps a certain leniency from BMW because they have to be replaced often?

 

[nicholsonj2252]

The driveshaft service/replacement milage is from the user manual and I have confirmed it with the dealer.

Most R Nine T models and the R1200GS,S,R,RT and HP2 Sport use part number 33 73 9 898 679 for the driveshaft which sets you back £ 785 but for the R 12 G/S the part number is 33 71 5 A9D 7D7 at a cost of £ 550

No clue why the R 12 G/S driveshaft is cheaper. Perhaps a certain leniency from BMW because they have to be replaced often?

You miss the fact that is states "relative to the service life of the component" on the shaft drive replacement so it doesn't necessarily mean it gets changed

As I only keep my newer bikes 3 years maximum and do around 6K miles per year I'll not need to worry about the driveshaft anyway

 

[computer_freak]

You miss the fact that is states "relative to the service life of the component" on the shaft drive replacement so it doesn't necessarily mean it gets changed

As I only keep my newer bikes 3 years maximum and do around 6K miles per year I'll not need to worry about the driveshaft anyway

Understandable. For me the forks and driveshaft would be an additional €1200 every other year which is why I’m taking it into consideration when looking at the R 12 G/S. Used demo bikes are starting to pop up where I live (not UK) and it’s tempting to pick one up at a bit of a discount.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

The driveshaft service/replacement milage is from the user manual and I have confirmed it with the dealer.

Most R Nine T models and the R1200GS,S,R,RT and HP2 Sport use part number 33 73 9 898 679 for the driveshaft which sets you back £ 785 but for the R 12 G/S the part number is 33 71 5 A9D 7D7 at a cost of £ 550

No clue why the R 12 G/S driveshaft is cheaper. Perhaps a certain leniency from BMW because they have to be replaced often?

Why do they need replacing so often?

Airheads and 1100/1150’s don’t class the driveshaft that needs replacement at 36k

Why the new trend on more recent bikes ?

 

[Spook1969]

Bikes only need to last for the PCP term, no one buys them anymore.

 

[ikkje]

Yet another ‘armchair’ user review of the bike. If only the guy was qualified to comment on it’s off road capabilities.

 

[OnHellas]

Bikes only need to last for the PCP term, no one buys them anymore.

That’s funny . Totally wrong, but funny that people believe it.

 

[Spout]

Earlier bmw shaft drives would last indefinitely

....or only 45,000 miles

 

[EVskiy]

Yet another ‘armchair’ user review of the bike. If only the guy was qualified to comment on it’s off road capabilities.

Why? What makes Chris an “armchair” user reviewer?* If anyone can ride and tell about the bikes off-road capabilities, then Chris would be one a few guys I’d be listening to.

*or was it meant to be funny, a bit of tongue in cheek comment of yours?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

....or only 45,000 miles

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That's on an earlier 1200 .................so it doesn't count

 

[glenn2926]

Why do they need replacing so often?

Airheads and 1100/1150’s don’t class the driveshaft that needs replacement at 36k

Why the new trend on more recent bikes ?

I can only surmise that the vastly increased power wears the driveshaft out more quickly. I have a 2022 GSA, does anyone know if this model needs the driveshaft replacing at certain mileage and if it does what the mileage is at replacement time? Thanks.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I can only surmise that the vastly increased power wears the driveshaft out more quickly. I have a 2022 GSA, does anyone know if this model needs the driveshaft replacing at certain mileage and if it does what the mileage is at replacement time? Thanks.

I guess so
60 HP on a R100GS is less stressful

 

[Spook1969]

That’s funny . Totally wrong, but funny that people believe it.

Work out how many bikes leave the showroom paid for in full/on HP/on PCP.
Same as cars, no one buys anymore. Why do you think the list prices have gone through the roof? £350 month for a £40k BMW 3 series is much more palatable than £350 month for a £25k BMW 3 series.
They’re taking the idiots money and all that’s happened is people who want to actually buy outright are being screwed.
It’s funny how people can’t see what’s happening.
I suppose you think PCP hasn’t totally fucked the 2nd hand market either

 

[OnHellas]

Work out how many bikes leave the showroom paid for in full/on HP/on PCP.
Same as cars, no one buys anymore. Why do you think the list prices have gone through the roof? £350 month for a £40k BMW 3 series is much more palatable than £350 month for a £25k BMW 3 series.
They’re taking the idiots money and all that’s happened is people who want to actually buy outright are being screwed.
It’s funny how people can’t see what’s happening.
I suppose you think PCP hasn’t totally fucked the 2nd hand market either

I didn’t say any of that. I said, I think that it’s funny when people say PCP isn’t buying the vehicle. It is. End of.
It’s just the payment schedule being set out in a different way.

Now, do people keep on changing rather than pay the final payment? Of course, that was why the vehicle manufacturers and finance companies came up with the product on the first place.
Get ‘em on the tread mill and keep ‘em a on it.

 

[APE]

Service cost of the R 12 G/S over the lifetime of the bike is about double that of the Urban G/S. You need to service the driveshaft every 12k miles, replace the driveshaft it every 24k miles and service the forks every 18k miles. The rest of the service on both bikes is the same.

The service book lists driveshaft replacement at 24k miles but not at 48k !? Doesn’t make a lot of sense. How much does it cost to change the fork oil at 18k - wouldn’t expect that to be very expensive.

 

[ian640]

Does the drive shaft longevity depend on how the bike is used e.g. does ‘off road’ use imply a shorter lifespan for the drive shaft?

 

[nicholsonj2252]

Got my Enduro cockpit fairing ;-)

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[Mad Hatter]

Got my Enduro cockpit fairing ;-)

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Looks good John