R1200GSA LC v Jaguar XF

[andylel]

Why?

If I was driving my Jag XF with the wife and kids and that complete knob of a GSA rider, came around the bend on the wrong side and hit us 'head-on' seriously injuring us, then what

Just because it's a bike rider, why should I feel sympathy?

He was riding above his skill level and either needs to give up bikes or get some advanced riding training, if he can still walk now

I'm with JohnnyB on this. If the vehicles were swapped in that vid and we were watching a car on the wrong side slamming head on into a bike I am sure the cries would be the same if not much worse than JohnnyB's.

The guy was apparently out of both talent and luck on that day. Having said that we have all been in situations where our talent has run out but our luck remained and I challenge anyone to honestly refute that.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I'm with JohnnyB on this. If the vehicles were swapped in that vid and we were watching a car on the wrong side slamming head on into a bike I am sure the cries would be the same if not much worse than JohnnyB's.

The guy was apparently out of both talent and luck on that day. Having said that we have all been in situations where our talent has run out but our luck remained and I challenge anyone to honestly refute that.

Thanks you sir

So, put it another way....................that GSA rider, all out of talent comes around the bend completely on the wrong side, without any attempt to take evasive action and you're where the Jag was............but on your bike

He hits you head on and your widow is putting flowers on your grave today................how would you feel then?

The GSA rider is out of his depth and riding like a complete cock on a bike he can't handle - I bet he's a DAS rider, and maybe not long been riding

 

[Nutty]

Why?

If I was driving my Jag XF with the wife and kids and that complete knob of a GSA rider, came around the bend on the wrong side and hit us 'head-on' seriously injuring us, then what

Just because it's a bike rider, why should I feel sympathy?

He was riding above his skill level and either needs to give up bikes or get some advanced riding training, if he can still walk now

Do you know all the facts about what happened?

It would initially appear from the video that he ran out of talent, however, we don't know if there was anything on the road, if there was a problem with the bike, or the rider. There may have been diesel on the road. The bike may have suffered a mechanical failure (I know that's unlikely ). The rider may have had a blackout/ heart attack/ stroke.

There's a chance it's someone from here, maybe even someone you know, and we'll either hear from him, or his family if he takes a turn for the worse. Regardless of fault/ circumstances, I hope the chap is ok.

Why start name calling without all the facts?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Do you know all the facts about what happened?



Why start name calling without all the facts?

I'm going on the video, same as you

I hope I don't see him coming towards me, he was completely out of his depth, he didn't read the road, the severity of the bend and was going too fast for the conditions and his skill base

How's that for an observation, based on the video footage

I see a lot of it on bikes, in the Dales......................fools who buy big powerful bikes and can't control them...................they usually take out an innocent road user, with their folly

Sorry to be so blunt, the truth hurts..................but facts are facts

I hope this video is passed to the local Police and the GSA rider is prosecuted for dangerous/reckless driving (delete as appropriate)

 

[King Key]

For Sale, 1 x LC GSA, one careless owner.......

 

[The bigun]

The rider was a complete cock, who ran out of what little motorcycling talent he possessed

What a tool of a GSA rider, utter twat

He made no attempt to get around the bend whatsoever, where was BMW's much vaunted 'cornering ABS' and 'dynamic braking' when he needed it

That's a very poor response from you JB absolutely no need I hope the rider makes a full recovery and if he is from here can post his version of the crash

 

[Nutty]

I'm going on the video, same as you

But I haven't jumped to any conclusions. You've decided that he's in the wrong, and should be prosecuted without knowing all the facts.

Carry on.

 

[andylel]

Do you know all the facts about what happened?

It would initially appear from the video that he ran out of talent, however, we don't know if there was anything on the road, if there was a problem with the bike, or the rider. There may have been diesel on the road. The bike may have suffered a mechanical failure (I know that's unlikely ). The rider may have had a blackout/ heart attack/ stroke.

There's a chance it's someone from here, maybe even someone you know, and we'll either hear from him, or his family if he takes a turn for the worse. Regardless of fault/ circumstances, I hope the chap is ok.

Why start name calling without all the facts?

I don't know all the facts, I agree. However, the rider looks conscious. He is sitting up and rounding the bend. If a bike is left to its own devices it will travel in a straight line at that apparent speed so the balance of probability is that there was no medical factor involved based on the evidence we see in that video. If there was diesel or other slippery surface then the riders reaction in the situation he found himself in would likely have had him off prior to the actual impact site. Granted there may have been another factor and we may never know but I stand by my statement in my previous post about the cries being louder if the vehicles were swapped.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

But I haven't jumped to any conclusions.

You've decided that he's in the wrong, and should be prosecuted without knowing all the facts.

Carry on.

So, what other rational explanation have you got, as to why the motorcyclist hit the car, pray tell?

 

[Engineer]

Looks like the riders fault, but won't jump to conclusions - maybe something sent him onto the wrong side of the road just before he came into view?? Alternatively he may have been one of those TosPa/Iam types trying to get a better view around the bend while 'making progress'

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

.................. Alternatively he may have been one of those TosPa/Iam types trying to get a better view around the bend while 'making progress'

..........by crossing a solid white line

Andres

 

[Engineer]

..........by crossing a solid white line

Andres

My tongue was firmly in my cheek

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

That was one hell of an impact ..... I hope both the parties are OK

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

That's a very poor response from you JB absolutely no need

I hope the rider makes a full recovery and if he is from here can post his version of the crash

Sorry, but I do see a lot of it up here

Do you hope the car driver is ok too, or just the GSA rider?

My thoughts and sympathy lie more with the car driver, as to whether he was inured

 

[wozalldisden]

Foreign rider perhaps?? Might explain positioning. Horrible crash whatever the reasons why

 

[Nutty]

So, what other rational explanation have you got, as to why the motorcyclist hit the car, pray tell?

Read my post again.

 

[2 wheel humvee]

But I haven't jumped to any conclusions. You've decided that he's in the wrong, and should be prosecuted without knowing all the facts.

Carry on.

Exactly, he may have had a medical condition or attack or a technical issue with the bike or something may have spooked the rider, we don't know, poor show JB

 

[2 wheel humvee]

Sorry, but I do see a lot of it up here

Do you hope the car driver is ok too, or just the GSA rider?

My thoughts and sympathy lie more with the car driver, as to whether he was inured

Doubtful the driver was injured look at the pics the integrity of the car's shell s intact, why do I get the feeling that your ire is directed toward the type of bike he was riding, what if it had been an 1150GSA? Would you have been so vocal against the rider then or are you just fishing?

 

[Neil W]

From the last time I read the advanced riding/driving manuals I cannot recollect anywhere where 'Making Progress' includes entering a bend at an inappropriate speed for the road conditions , exiting on the wrong side of the road over double white lines probably due to misreading the road and conditions and then twatting into an oncoming car .

Having attended an accident where a motorcyclist (due to riding like an utter dick) not only killed himself but also managed to headbutt the car driver and cause him permanent brain damage its not a pleasant thing to witness .

I know that the insurance will stump up but it will be a pain in the arse for the innocent car driver , who if it is his own car will no doubt end up out of pocket and inconvenienced.


As for prosecuting the rider ,if it happens ,he would struggle to convince a court looking at both the physical and video evidence (and that's only from what's availabe on the videos and will also include and accident investigators report ) as how he isn't at fault due to his own actions .




E=Engineer;4346676]Looks like the riders fault, but won't jump to conclusions - maybe something sent him onto the wrong side of the road just before he came into view?? Alternatively he may have been one of those TosPa/Iam types trying to get a better view around the bend while 'making progress'[/QUOTE]

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Doubtful the driver was injured look at the pics the integrity of the car's shell s intact, why do I get the feeling that your ire is directed toward the type of bike he was riding, what if it had been an 1150GSA? Would you have been so vocal against the rider then or are you just fishing?

Not bothered what he was riding, so no fishing from me...............you should know me well enough by now................

I see so much crap riding, it boils my piss

We're all fallible, so vulnerable ................ that's the real point

Still, If I get slated for my POV, so be it................

As a rider meeting him coming towards me................I dread to think of the outcome

We had a similar incident up here a few years ago, 2 sportsbikes head-on, only one rider was the innocent party and he stayed on his own carriageway, both dead though