R1200RT camshafts

Colin Smith

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Took bike in to my dealers for 24k service only to be told it requires two new exhaust camshafts. It's only covered 24800 miles, must be faulty materials or a lack of hardening?
Cost of repair £2500. I've tried BMW to ask if they would consider helping with the cost and ben told no because of it's age and milage. In my opinion it's hardly run in! I know it's six years old but surely camshafts should last longer than 24K miles. Anyone else had a similar problem?
 
Took bike in to my dealers for 24k service only to be told it requires two new exhaust camshafts. It's only covered 24800 miles, must be faulty materials or a lack of hardening?
Cost of repair £2500. I've tried BMW to ask if they would consider helping with the cost and ben told no because of it's age and milage. In my opinion it's hardly run in! I know it's six years old but surely camshafts should last longer than 24K miles. Anyone else had a similar problem?
Older LC bikes had issues with camshaft and follower wear but not aware that the later bikes suffered. Mine ('15 GSA) went at 50k but was repaired under the extended warranty. Is there any possibility that this could've been caused by low usage causing surface rust to develop (eg stored in a damp location for long periods and/or frequently started without being ridden, etc)?
 
Had the cams in my 2016 gs replaced for free due to poor finish causing wear and noise
It's not an uncommon fault

The quote sounds a tad feisty to me, I’d get a quote from an independent, it’s a fairly simple repair

Don’t know if you are close enough to @MotoRevive ?

 
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Older LC bikes had issues with camshaft and follower wear but not aware that the later bikes suffered. Mine ('15 GSA) went at 50k but was repaired under the extended warranty. Is there any possibility that this could've been caused by low usage causing surface rust to develop (eg stored in a damp location for long periods and/or frequently started without being ridden, etc)?
Hi Mrc99
It's kept in my garage and rarely is it not ridden for more than two or three weeks. Only idle when it's really cold or salty roads.
I just think it's a case of insufficient hardening of the lobes, therefore a manufacturing fault.
 
Had the cams in my 2016 gs replaced for free due to poor finish causing wear and noise
It's not an uncommon fault

The quote sounds a tad feisty to me, I’d get a quote from an independent, it’s a fairly simple repair

Don’t know if you are close enough to @MotoRevive ?

Sadly I'm miles away from them. South of the M4, not far from Bristol.
 
I had a 2014 R1200rt one of the early LC's. I had to change a shim at 38,000 to adjust the valves and the cams need lifted off to do this. Its very easy in fact the easiest bike I've lifted cams off. They are geared together basically you put the engine at TDC for the cylinder you are working on. I marked the gears with some yellow engine paint removed the cams and measured and replaced the relevant shims. I'm not sure what the cams cost new but they appear to go for £100-150 a pop used. I'd check the finger followers too as they may also need to be replaced if marked. There was no wear on mine at all. I wonder is there an oil flow issue to your heads? Out of spec oil pump??

Have a look here

https://www.youtube.com/@Boxflyer11/videos.

This is the video that covers how easy it is to remove the cams.

 
Took bike in to my dealers for 24k service only to be told it requires two new exhaust camshafts. It's only covered 24800 miles, must be faulty materials or a lack of hardening?
Cost of repair £2500. I've tried BMW to ask if they would consider helping with the cost and ben told no because of it's age and milage. In my opinion it's hardly run in! I know it's six years old but surely camshafts should last longer than 24K miles. Anyone else had a similar problem?

Both Inlet Cams in my 2021 GS1250 had to be replaced due to wear at 24,000 miles, just before the warranty expired so was lucky in that there was no cost to me. I did check the BMW list price for each Inlet Camshaft on their web site and this showed them at just under £400.00 each plus VAT, but don't know the current price for Exhaust Cams but those for a 1200GS/RT might be a little cheaper. Plus labour to fit them etc.

Does make you wonder how Cams on a modern premium Bike can wear this badly after such a low mileage. As both went at the same time would make it seem to be a general problem rather than just the odd Camshaft from any batch being manufactured.
 
Does make you wonder how Cams on a modern premium Bike can wear this badly after such a low mileage. As both went at the same time would make it seem to be a general problem rather than just the odd Camshaft from any batch being manufactured.
Exactly and for the price they are quoting I expect that other components such as the cam caps or maybe the complete heads need replaced?? The cams themselves seem to be about £300 new including vat each. 11 31 8 564 541 and 11 31 8 564 542 are the part numbers.
 
Exactly, poor quality and even poorer customer loyalty!
I bought new BMW GS's religiously from 1996 (1100GS, fabulous bike - superb quality and nothing went wrong with it in 41,000 in 3.5 years) and then 1150's from 2000 to 2005 (still got my last 1150 GS Adv, I bought in 2005) and then a new 1200 GSA MU in 2008 (I though quality had deteriorated with the 1200's and didn't gel with it)
Had a New 650 Dakar and a new G650 XCountry from 2005 to 2008 and they were fine, well made bikes
Since 2008 I haven't bought a new BMW bike as they don't do anything for me, I don't want gadgets
If I could buy a brand new 1100GS and a 1150GS Adventure in 2025 then I would buy them
 
I bought a new 1200 gs when they first came out,
Ran it to around 60k miles.
It had every well documented issue,
antenna ring failure, ignition barrel failure,fuel pump controller,alternator casing cracking,final drive bearings,stick coils,gear position sensor,etc etc
Over the years I’ve worked on hundreds of 1200’s all of them eventually have the same issues.
Second hand parts of the usual bits are getting rare.
Now the residual values have dropped they are just a financial liability.
The LC bikes came out,all of them have inherent problems.
I don’t even want to work on them as the parts backup is dreadful.
Final drive rebuild,,,no chance as parts are not supported.
Propshaft,,,, no chance ,bmw used weird size of uj which is not available.
Add to that the cost of the parts ,it makes ownership unaffordable unless you go down the pcp route.
Just one example,
In 2006 I could do a final drive rebuild on a 1200 for £350.
The same job now is £700 .
On a bike that’s probably worth £2500 and has little value with a buggered fd.
 
....and yet...I've seen plenty of 1200's and 1250's with 100K+ mileages on the original engine but with just clutch replacements needed. Our last 1200LC (2015_ blood bike did 155K miles before the wiring loom caught fire and wrote it off as uneconomical to repair.
 
I think anything Mikey is going to see (or others in the trade) are broken or breaking - a bit like the Ford mechanics working on the EcoBoom cars.

But what you say rings true bikes (and frankly most mechanical entities) that are used all the time and serviced well tend to last.

Anyway, what do I know?
 
I'm pretty convinced that with less than durable hardening on some camshafts, regular oil changes are a must. I usually take the recommended interval and half it. Oil's a lot cheaper than an engine! I run mine a max of 4 or 5K miles before each oil change
 
Were the 1200 LC / 1250 LC motors made in China ?
 
AFAIK, BMW does not outsource engine parts for boxer engines....they pride themselves in producing these motors at the Motorrad plant in Berlin and have done since 1969. However, they do outsource things like sensors and many electronic components to Chinese companies, and have a manufacturing plant at the Brilliance Plant in Shenyang, China, mainly for the Chinese market, and at Loncin for smaller capacity parallel twins as well as in India for the 310cc motors. It's highly likely that all boxer motor main components are manufactured in Berlin.

Lets get some sense of balance...they are not alone for electrical faults...most European motor manufacturers have worse issues (Renault anyone?) and failing paint finishes are because they are hamstrung by barmy EU rulings on what they can or cannot use. The Japanese are not as hamstrung, and they are ahead of the game on electrical reliability and have a very different product ethic to the West....or did. Lately, there have been major failures in quality even on many Japanese engines, particularly Toyota/Lexus, where once revered models have been compromised by their CANBUS scandal (non-encrypted security) only recently patched with hardware and software upgrades at customer expense. They have also cheapened 5th gen Lexus model manufacture (eg no longer using the master craftsmen who used to undergo 12 year apprenticeships JUST to make the seats for the RX and LS models) and removing more reliable physical buttons for cheaper to manufacture touchscreens, as well as other cost cutting measures. It's why I stuck with a 4th gen model.

BMW, to stay competitive, and because of EU Construction and Use Regs, are forced to manufacture the way they do and are really no better or worse than many other brands. If you want the best reliability, buy a Japanese bike. If you want a boxer, buy a BMW. I put up with the ticking time bomb roulette, purely because in my own experience, they have been no less reliable than anything else I've owned despite the gloom and doom of forums. Think back to the 1970's and British death nell models, the cheap and utilitarian Jap commuters (which had plenty of issues), and the 1980/90's where only a handful of models were truly bomb proof. I had Yamaha engines stretch valves (FJ's and 750 Super Tens), Hondas with dodgy weak gearboxes and cracked cranks, but my first airhead motor was indestructible. I had Ducatis which only ran when in the mood to, which constantly suffered from crankcase oilseal failure (900SS Darmah), blown rectifiers (600SS) and swarf in oil filters. Guzzis which corroded in front of my eyes and blades which popped fork seals and went through head and wheel bearings, along with damp starting issues. Kwackers that suffered frozen carbs.

I know from my experiences with blood bikes that despite all the niggles, properly looked after, the 1250 boxer is a gem with regular servicing and will run to large mileages. We had some issues with the first TFT dash models and many 1200/1250's suffer from casing and wheel corrosion due to the paint systems forced on BMW. My own remedy has had to be brought to bear for my current RT, and that is protecting the paint, knowing of the crap protection water based systems offer by respraying wheels and parts of casings then using a protective clear coat. Mechanically, I've had many rattly beemers but have yet to have one which has suffered camshaft failures. It happens and it may be a lottery but compared with most modern cars (which are disposable crap) they seem no worse and have IME the potential for high mileages.
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Sadly I'm miles away from them. South of the M4, not far from Bristol.
There are three independents all ex CW around Weymouth & Dorchester



 


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