Race to Dakar 10pm - 11pm tonight
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IluvmyGS
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Sadly, I haven't seen any of the Race to Dakar, so can't really comment.
Personally, I think 'good on Charley', he had a damn good go at it, but it wasn't meant to be . . this time anyway, and at least he came home 'alive', unlike the poor chap who got killed
Has the episode been on where he visits the physiotherapist in Ipswich yet?? Brian Simpson - only, Brian is my physio, and I was extremely chuffed to find out that Charley and the gang had been there and had the film crew with them . . . . .hmmm, just a shame my appointment wasn't the same day!
Poor ol' Charley - he's a nice bloke and that's all that counts!
Cheers
Shirley
Personally, I think 'good on Charley', he had a damn good go at it, but it wasn't meant to be . . this time anyway, and at least he came home 'alive', unlike the poor chap who got killed
Has the episode been on where he visits the physiotherapist in Ipswich yet?? Brian Simpson - only, Brian is my physio, and I was extremely chuffed to find out that Charley and the gang had been there and had the film crew with them . . . . .hmmm, just a shame my appointment wasn't the same day!
Poor ol' Charley - he's a nice bloke and that's all that counts!
Cheers
Shirley
I watched last nights episode and quite enjoyed it. The planning appeared to have been rather rushed and incomplete in parts but CB came over better than in last weeks programme so maybe he got round to buying the editing chap a few beers 
Captain Pugwash
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That producer Russ Malkin comes across as an annoying little shit !
Geordietraveller
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Manny Fagnet said:
Captain Pugwash
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He's got the type of face you just wanna punch,and that's before he opens his mouth and starts off on one of his "Big I Am" speaches.
Twat !!:
Twat !!:
Mutley
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Manny Fagnet said:
Considering he's the director you'd think he'd paint himself in a better light wouldn't you?
On the other hand if I was Si Pavey I'd be a bit hacked off
How dare they suggest he's anything other than double hard 
The man's a legend but Russ questions whether he 'needs a hug' - 
Still, good telly I 'spose
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Manny Fagnet said:He's got the type of face you just wanna punch,and that's before he opens his mouth and starts off on one of his "Big I Am" speaches.
Twat !!:
Weird, feckin boring boorman does that to me, I really could stripe the talentless twat! Yet Russ seems alright to me
Cole
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Russ
If you think Russ comes across as a first class tool after editing, imagine what he is like before you see the edited Russ ....
I have never met Russ, but he does come across as a major di@k. I know a few people who have had to deal with him and they concur with this summary judgement.
I am told it was Russ who decided to edit out all the footage of the Long Way Round bikes meeting other bike travellers along the way. If you ride across Russia these days you will meet other western bikers daily, every day for months. Yet the only mention of another biker in the entire book or the TV series (prior to Orange County Choppers) is the reference to Ted Simon, 30 years ago. Russ didnt want it to look like loads of other people do this sort of thing ... he wanted it to look like it was unique. Like it was original. So why not edit the entire world of adventure bikers out of it, including the guys they met along the way.
In fact he also edited out all the research they did showing that of course it was totally do-able, he edited out the fact that they bought the Terra Circa and Mondo Enduro DVDs, again confirming it is entirely do-able, and pretty much copied the Terra Circa route ... but they did leave in some clueless irrelevant Russian girls who had never been on a bike, and never been to Siberia saying that "you must be mad going to Siberia, its for bears... people dont ever come out of there alive..." I mean ... please ... Give me a break.!
Russ made contact with the Terra Circa crew on numberous occasions, pumped them for info, sorted out the route before they went, then called up several times on route at all hours with "what do we do now" questions, such as when they were in Mongolia and thinking of quitting it for Siberia, and when they were in Siberia, quitting the road in favour of the train. Yet was there even the smallest hint of thanks or even acknowledgement?
Iin fact, faced with the some of the Terra Circa guys saying the road of bones was no problem, and a dour Austrian guy saying it will take them 6 weeks if they can do it at all, it is obvious to work out how that was going to be cut and edited into the spin story.
Needless to say, the story behind how they came to end up with BMW bikes instead of KTMs is not as it was presented, and was not because the Austrian guy thought it was going to be tough. But thats another story ...
I have nothing against the two guys who did the Long Way Round ride ... in fact good on them for wanting to do something like that ... two guys wanting to go on a long adventurous bike ride - there should be a lot more of that sort of thing
... just not sure about their decision to get Russ involved. He turned a simple and admirable bike adventure into Spin City ... and made a propaganda film that Leni Riefenstahl would be proud of.
Maybe I am being too harsh? Maybe that was Russ' job. As a stake-holder I guess he wanted to get as much revenue from the project as he possibly could, and that meant hyping it up to sound as dangerous and unique as possible (thus the weapons training, and holding pig hearts - all very dramatic - and complete bollox). Amazingly for a team of over half a dozen on the road, and a further half a dozen back in London, there is no mention of the huge fanfare Putin made just 1 months before they left London that the trans-siberian highway now goes all the way to Vladivostok ... not paved all the way, but at least a graded gravel road all the way. Its not possible that such a well researched unit didnt know that. It was the biggest news out of Russia that month. Russ just decided to leave that out as it would spoil the adventure sound of things, especially when they put their bikes on the train, allegedly not knowing if there was a road ahead.
I enjoy watching the Kazakhstan, Siberia, Mongolia footage from LWR, but the propaganda drives me round the bend. If you think Charlie was lucky to have a new career in life from being involved with Ewan McGregor, I can assure you it has done the same if not more for Russ.
And what with his obsession with being in his own films? How many shows do you see the producer in it all the time? Hardly any. They are meant to be behind the scenes. His obsession with being in his own films means we spent a good chunk of LWR watching 4WDs driving around Siberia, crashing in Mongolia etc. It was supposed to be about 2 mates riding bikes round the world but Russ wanted it to look like a grand expedition, of which Russ himself is an essential part. Lets be honest ... why did they even need the "support vehicles" anyway? What value did they add to the bike trip? What support did they offer? They already had a third bike to do the filming. Why 2 4WDs as well? It was just an excuse for Russ to get his head on the box. I wont be surprised if he does Celebrity Big Brother next year.
And now it seems Race to Dakar features almost as much of Russ as it does of motorbikes and racing to Dakar.
If you think Russ comes across as a first class tool after editing, imagine what he is like before you see the edited Russ ....
I have never met Russ, but he does come across as a major di@k. I know a few people who have had to deal with him and they concur with this summary judgement.
I am told it was Russ who decided to edit out all the footage of the Long Way Round bikes meeting other bike travellers along the way. If you ride across Russia these days you will meet other western bikers daily, every day for months. Yet the only mention of another biker in the entire book or the TV series (prior to Orange County Choppers) is the reference to Ted Simon, 30 years ago. Russ didnt want it to look like loads of other people do this sort of thing ... he wanted it to look like it was unique. Like it was original. So why not edit the entire world of adventure bikers out of it, including the guys they met along the way.
In fact he also edited out all the research they did showing that of course it was totally do-able, he edited out the fact that they bought the Terra Circa and Mondo Enduro DVDs, again confirming it is entirely do-able, and pretty much copied the Terra Circa route ... but they did leave in some clueless irrelevant Russian girls who had never been on a bike, and never been to Siberia saying that "you must be mad going to Siberia, its for bears... people dont ever come out of there alive..." I mean ... please ... Give me a break.!
Russ made contact with the Terra Circa crew on numberous occasions, pumped them for info, sorted out the route before they went, then called up several times on route at all hours with "what do we do now" questions, such as when they were in Mongolia and thinking of quitting it for Siberia, and when they were in Siberia, quitting the road in favour of the train. Yet was there even the smallest hint of thanks or even acknowledgement?
Iin fact, faced with the some of the Terra Circa guys saying the road of bones was no problem, and a dour Austrian guy saying it will take them 6 weeks if they can do it at all, it is obvious to work out how that was going to be cut and edited into the spin story.
Needless to say, the story behind how they came to end up with BMW bikes instead of KTMs is not as it was presented, and was not because the Austrian guy thought it was going to be tough. But thats another story ...
I have nothing against the two guys who did the Long Way Round ride ... in fact good on them for wanting to do something like that ... two guys wanting to go on a long adventurous bike ride - there should be a lot more of that sort of thing
... just not sure about their decision to get Russ involved. He turned a simple and admirable bike adventure into Spin City ... and made a propaganda film that Leni Riefenstahl would be proud of.Maybe I am being too harsh? Maybe that was Russ' job. As a stake-holder I guess he wanted to get as much revenue from the project as he possibly could, and that meant hyping it up to sound as dangerous and unique as possible (thus the weapons training, and holding pig hearts - all very dramatic - and complete bollox). Amazingly for a team of over half a dozen on the road, and a further half a dozen back in London, there is no mention of the huge fanfare Putin made just 1 months before they left London that the trans-siberian highway now goes all the way to Vladivostok ... not paved all the way, but at least a graded gravel road all the way. Its not possible that such a well researched unit didnt know that. It was the biggest news out of Russia that month. Russ just decided to leave that out as it would spoil the adventure sound of things, especially when they put their bikes on the train, allegedly not knowing if there was a road ahead.
I enjoy watching the Kazakhstan, Siberia, Mongolia footage from LWR, but the propaganda drives me round the bend. If you think Charlie was lucky to have a new career in life from being involved with Ewan McGregor, I can assure you it has done the same if not more for Russ.
And what with his obsession with being in his own films? How many shows do you see the producer in it all the time? Hardly any. They are meant to be behind the scenes. His obsession with being in his own films means we spent a good chunk of LWR watching 4WDs driving around Siberia, crashing in Mongolia etc. It was supposed to be about 2 mates riding bikes round the world but Russ wanted it to look like a grand expedition, of which Russ himself is an essential part. Lets be honest ... why did they even need the "support vehicles" anyway? What value did they add to the bike trip? What support did they offer? They already had a third bike to do the filming. Why 2 4WDs as well? It was just an excuse for Russ to get his head on the box. I wont be surprised if he does Celebrity Big Brother next year.
And now it seems Race to Dakar features almost as much of Russ as it does of motorbikes and racing to Dakar.
PhilM
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I was horrified to notice on the latest episode that Russ was "Team Leader"
Then when Simon said "What the f*ck does Russ know about driving in the Dakar and being team leader" ,or something similar, funniest part so far.
Then when Simon said "What the f*ck does Russ know about driving in the Dakar and being team leader" ,or something similar, funniest part so far.
Tony F
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Mrs F bought me the Race to Dakar book for my birthday last week.
I have to say it's really rather good, haven't seen the tv as I don't have Sky but have both book and DVD of LWR.
I thought that Mr McGregor came over a bit whinging in that and Mr Boorman despite also being an actor, seemed much more "normal".
In the RtD book Charlie readily admits that he was doing less and less acting and if pressed would most probably put his career down as "painter, decorator and kitchen fitter" The LRW was his saving grace and lets face it, who wouldn't prefer a life of getting paid to do stuff like the Dakar, appearing on TV etc etc rather than painting and wall papering!
I will admit that I have always had an ambition to do the Dakar, that most probably will never be realised unless someone has a few hundred grand spare that they are willing to give me.
Mind you at 46 I think a new Bowler Nemesis (based on the Range Rover Sport and aimed at next years race) would be preferable to a bike (Mind you Mrs F would most probably want to drive and I'd have to navigate as usual)!
I have to say it's really rather good, haven't seen the tv as I don't have Sky but have both book and DVD of LWR.
I thought that Mr McGregor came over a bit whinging in that and Mr Boorman despite also being an actor, seemed much more "normal".
In the RtD book Charlie readily admits that he was doing less and less acting and if pressed would most probably put his career down as "painter, decorator and kitchen fitter"
The LRW was his saving grace and lets face it, who wouldn't prefer a life of getting paid to do stuff like the Dakar, appearing on TV etc etc rather than painting and wall papering!I will admit that I have always had an ambition to do the Dakar, that most probably will never be realised unless someone has a few hundred grand spare that they are willing to give me.
Mind you at 46 I think a new Bowler Nemesis (based on the Range Rover Sport and aimed at next years race) would be preferable to a bike (Mind you Mrs F would most probably want to drive and I'd have to navigate as usual)!
Having read all the opinions on here, some of which I agree with, some of which I don't, there is one simple fact to take into account.
Love or hate Charley, there is currently being shown on mainstream(ish) television, a programe all about entering and competing in the Dakar.
Until somebody else steps up to film someone who is in with a chance of winning it, (highly unlikely, they won't have a film crew slowing them down) then it's the best we are going to get!
I for one am enjoying it immensely!
Mark
Love or hate Charley, there is currently being shown on mainstream(ish) television, a programe all about entering and competing in the Dakar.
Until somebody else steps up to film someone who is in with a chance of winning it, (highly unlikely, they won't have a film crew slowing them down) then it's the best we are going to get!
I for one am enjoying it immensely!
Mark
'Nuffsaid
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I just dont get it ....
I just dont get all the comments on this thread puttin down CB , EM or Russ thingymijig. Firstly this is a TV series, its not real life, It is escapism - Actually lets add to that, it is fantastic escapism. With LWR I read the book, bought the DVD and watched the series - more over, it made me want a GS and inspired me to want to get on it and ride, every day in every condition. Not just me either, friends and people I hardly new were wanting that adventure as well: To me it was a brilliant piece. In the same way as I dont know or care whether actors are tossers or not, I dont care whether this is real - I am big & ugly enough to know as an adult that I am being sold a product ..... And I buy into it big time.
I was lucky enough to see CB and the much hated Russ ( He is as shiny in real life as on the camera by the way!) last Monday night in Guildford. As has been documented here, CB is a guy trying to make a living, and trying to live out a dream - If I had the guts to do what he did, and half the commercial accumen that he has to make it pay - I would love to do the same. And yes .... I did by the overpriced T-shirt ..........
I just dont get all the comments on this thread puttin down CB , EM or Russ thingymijig. Firstly this is a TV series, its not real life, It is escapism - Actually lets add to that, it is fantastic escapism. With LWR I read the book, bought the DVD and watched the series - more over, it made me want a GS and inspired me to want to get on it and ride, every day in every condition. Not just me either, friends and people I hardly new were wanting that adventure as well: To me it was a brilliant piece. In the same way as I dont know or care whether actors are tossers or not, I dont care whether this is real - I am big & ugly enough to know as an adult that I am being sold a product ..... And I buy into it big time.
I was lucky enough to see CB and the much hated Russ ( He is as shiny in real life as on the camera by the way!) last Monday night in Guildford. As has been documented here, CB is a guy trying to make a living, and trying to live out a dream - If I had the guts to do what he did, and half the commercial accumen that he has to make it pay - I would love to do the same. And yes .... I did by the overpriced T-shirt ..........
DavidHale
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[QUOTE='Nuffsaid]As has been documented here, CB is a guy trying to make a living, and trying to live out a dream - If I had the guts to do what he did, and half the commercial accumen that he has to make it pay - I would love to do the same. And yes .... I did by the overpriced T-shirt ..........[/QUOTE]
And your opinion of Russ....?
I agree with wot you said, though. CB - nice bloke earning a living.
And your opinion of Russ....?
I agree with wot you said, though. CB - nice bloke earning a living.
'Nuffsaid
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DavidHale said:And your opinion of Russ....?
I agree with wot you said, though. CB - nice bloke earning a living.
Hmmm . A very shiny bloke making money off the back of CB!
Cole
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[QUOTE='Nuffsaid]Hmmm . A very shiny bloke making money off the back of CB! [/QUOTE]
hahaha ... "shiny" ... I like that
[/QUOTE]hahaha ... "shiny" ... I like that
marc290y
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Love them or hate them- I'd swap my left bo**ock to do what those guys have been getting up to over the last few years! 
Aparently they might be doing a trip down to South Africa- The Long Way Down................They realy thought hard about naming that one!
Aparently they might be doing a trip down to South Africa- The Long Way Down................They realy thought hard about naming that one!
Captain Pugwash
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You certainly need balls to attempt what they did on the Long Way Round.
But given the amount of support they took with them,I'm sure one bollock would be plenty !
Big Lee
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[QUOTE='Nuffsaid]Hmmm . A very shiny bloke making money off the back of CB! [/QUOTE]
IMO they need each other so as a "team" they`re doing rather well! Good luck to them I enjoyed LWR & have the DVD & am enjoying RTD and I saw all the lads yesterday at the bike show hanging round the Touratech stand
[/QUOTE]IMO they need each other so as a "team" they`re doing rather well! Good luck to them
I enjoyed LWR & have the DVD & am enjoying RTD and I saw all the lads yesterday at the bike show hanging round the Touratech stand 
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