Recall of R1200GS with Integral Brakes (Continental) confirmed

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The recall of bmw motorcycles with integral brakes from Continental will start in Germany in some weeks.

As you remember, the pipes do leak which leads to the total loss of braking force in at least one circuit.

I guess VOSA will submit a similar information in the UK some day.
 
Nemisis, you seem to be the authority on brake error issues, on another of your theads you mention about the servo failure issue. A friend of mine experienced this resulting in bad crash and loss of a finger. Do you know of anyway to simple take the system off a bike fitted with servo brakes? Would it mean changing everything?

I have an 06 model bought new in 07, I havent had any problems, brakes work fine, but am now concerned as BMW have taken the servo off the 08 indicating they know of something.

thanks, Dean
 
off topic: power assisted integral brakes

deaninkl said:
...., on another of your theads you mention about the servo failure issue.
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Yes. but this thread is strictly about a recall on BMW R1200GS models production date August 2006 and later which are equipped with the new integral brakes from Continental.

You are talking about the flawed power assisted integral brakes from FTE automotive.

A friend of mine experienced this resulting in bad crash and loss of a finger.
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I am very sorry to hear that. But I have to tell you that the German Federal Prosecutor does know about a lot of crashes and serious wounded riders, and at least one dead rider, all cases that were subject of his investigation.

After two years investigation the case was dropped on 10th of March 2008 because there is simply no way for the experts hired by the prosecutor to prove anything. The main reason is the specifice fault management of the ABS-brain of the pressure-modulator. For example the faults with milage-stamp are only every 8 Kilometer logged. If someone crashes nobody knows for sure if the fault was the reason for the crash. Well, the rider does know it for sure, but he has to prove it. And that ist strictly not posssible!

Do you know of anyway to simple take the system off a bike fitted with servo brakes? Would it mean changing everything?
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You should consult a bmw motorcycle dealer to assist you in this issue. But there is plenty of information on the internet. There are some guys that have removed the power assisted integral brakes for good reason.

..., but am now concerned as BMW have taken the servo off the 08 indicating they know of something.
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Didn't you know that you you have to be concerned?

Robert Hellmann is editor of BMWRA. In May 2005 he wrote in his mag:

Writing on September 13, 2004, BMW's Dr Robert Kahlenberg said (Betreff:AW: Protokolle für KBA - Totalausfall Bremsanlage WB10441A74ZH59720) BMW had looked into it and that Reis's own experience was due to a failure of the pressure pump. Kahlenberg's memo went on to say, however, that "there remains the matter of the unsettlingly complex nature of our brake system. The pressure modulator is at FTE for analysis and feedback. Rendering all production foolproof is unrealistic. The system is insufficiently thought out in its effect and fall-back capability." Kahlenberg goes on to recommend a replacement for the future (Nachfolgesystem) as the best way out.
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His artice was later printed in the UK BMW Club Journal!

You said: "... indicating they know of something". The responsible managers, CEO's, did know about the fact since at least 13th of September 2004.

But as I said before, it's off topic here. I was informing about a recall of BMW R1200GS models production date August 2006- that are equipped with the new integral brakes from continental.
 
Thanks nemisis,

my bike is a 2006, bought new in Malaysia in May 07, I'll have to try and check exactly when it was made, probably can find out from the Chasis Number.
 
nemezis said:
Update:

37.000 BMW motorcycles are worldwide affected!

The first bikes have been just repaired in Germany.

http://www.motorradonline.de/news/r...1200-st---rund-37000-bmw-betroffen.282354.htm
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Rough translation:-
Due to defective brake hoses at the pressure modulator of BMW motorcycles with ABS, the Munich manufacturers are actioning a recall. The models concerned are the R 1200 gs (not Adventure), R1200R and R1200ST models with ABS. The production periods depend on the respective model and lie between August 2006 and February 2008. A cause of the malfunction is, according to BMW, the screw connection of the brake hoses at the pressure modulator. Vibrations can lead to leakages at the lines and thus to the loss of brake fluid. The relevant customers will be written to directly by BMW.
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This is the ORIGINAL recall note that the German owners got on Saturday:

Technische Umrüstaktion
Befundnummer 0000346700

Sehr geehrter Herr #######
nach unseren Unterlagen sind Sie Nutzer des o.g. BMW Motorrades.

Im Zuge der Qualitätsbeobachtung hat BMW Motorrad festgestellt, dass bei Ihrem Fahrzeug eine Bremsleitung der vorderen Bremsanlage u.U. beschädigt sein könnte. In der Folge könnte es zu Bremsflüssigkeitsverlust kommen. Bleibt dieser Bremsflüssigkeitsverlust längere Zeit unbemerkt, könnte es zum Ausfall der vorderen Bremse kommen. Die Funktion der Hinterradbremse ist davon nicht betroffen. Um die einwandfreie Funktion der Bremsanlage sicherzustellen, werden wir die entsprechende Bremsleitung ersetzen.

Wir möchten sicherstellen, dass sich ihr Motorrad in einem optimalen Zustand befindet und bitten Sie deshalb, sich kurzfristig mit einem BMW Händler oder einer BMW Niederlassung wegen eines Werkstatttermins in Verbindung zu setzen.

Selbstverständlich ist diese Maßnahme für Sie kostenlos.

Sollten Sie Ihr Motorrad zwischenzeitlich weiterverkauft haben, bitten wir Sie dieses Anschreiben an Ihren Käufer weiterzuleiten.

Wir bedauern die Ihnen durch diese Aktion entstehenden Unannehmlichkeiten und bitten Sie um Verständnis für diese Maßnahme.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Bayerische Motorenwerke Aktiengesellschaft
BMW Motorrad
 
Last night on my way home from work, about 2 miles from home I went to apply the front brak to slow down from a roundabout:confused::confused:, lever all the way to the grip and no braking whatsoever from the front end, luckily engine braking and rear brakes and slow speed were sufficient.

BMW assist took me to Battersea (i purchased the bike here 15 days ago with 2600 miles, done 700 miles since) where they inspected and came back with the recall notice. there was another 12GS there waiting for the recall work, but no parts yet.

I guess I'm a little bit peeved that it happened, luckily it was not on the way to work in the middle of peak hour traffic!!!!!!:eek::eek:

so at the moment I have no bike until it is fixed:mad::mad:
 
There is a rumour that the next recall will happen soon. It's about the handguards on BMW R1200GS motorbikes Mod. 2004 - 2007. You will easily see at your local BMW dealer in the showroom that the handguards on models 2008 are significantally changed!

This is a German media report (with pictures of the new 2008 Handguards) but it's difficult to read an understand if you are not a native speaker of German language, I believe.

http://www.motor-kritik.de/common/08041309.HTM

In Short: The Handguards on models 2004 - 2007 may flip during riding. Which causes a crash because they to activate the braking lever. Or, on the other side, causes clutch damage due to activating the clutch permanently. The 2008 handguards are totally different and CANNOT FLIP! We do have an investigation in Germany. The safety authorities (Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt, like VOSA) are dealing with BMW how to manage the situation.

Keep you informed.
 
nemezis said:
There is a rumour that the next recall will happen soon. It's about the handguards on BMW R1200GS motorbikes Mod. 2004 - 2007. You will easily see at your local BMW dealer in the showroom that the handguards on models 2008 are significantally changed!

This is a German media report (with pictures of the new 2008 Handguards) but it's difficult to read an understand if you are not a native speaker of German language, I believe.

http://www.motor-kritik.de/common/08041309.HTM

In Short: The Handguards on models 2004 - 2007 may flip during riding. Which causes a crash because they to activate the braking lever. Or, on the other side, causes clutch damage due to activating the clutch permanently. The 2008 handguards are totally different and CANNOT FLIP! We do have an investigation in Germany. The safety authorities (Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt, like VOSA) are dealing with BMW how to manage the situation.

Keep you informed.
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Its all quite scarey stuff. V interested in the outcomes
Thanks for the info and keeping us all updated
 
Got a letter from BMW today telling me that there are a recall on my breaks.Have to make a apointment with the workshop...
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Well done, Nemezis. You've suffered a good deal of criticism on here in the past, but have kept bringing the issue to our attention. Looks like you have been proven right. :thumb
 
All he has done is bring details of a recall to our notice. He has certainly not been proven right on his earlier "crusade".
 
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