Reclaim Wales !

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MCN is promoting a mass ride in North Wales. The aim is to defy the North Wales Police policy of discouraging motorcyclist from entering the Snowdonia National Park area.

Ill be going with my mate. Were planning to set of dead early on Sunday ride around see if we can get pulled by just being there and come home the same day. Its got the backing of MAG and in the past these things have been massively backed and it should be an awesome day.

I was wondering if anyone else is interested in going down if you are Im thinking the Red Rooster just of Junction 40 on the M6. All you do is turn into Penrith off J40 and the Rooster Cafe is right there at the next mini roundabout.

opps MCN not MSN
 
I understand that Hitler will be going, but on the wrong bike :blast

I can't be arsed to search for the half dozen threads there are already on this crap, counterproductive ride out, but you really ought to have a look before you commit to going .....there won't be much support for the MCN powerranger brigade turning up from here I suspect ;)
 
Oh dear you must have the optional BMW R1200 High Horse upgrade.

I just went for the Dynamic and Comfort Pack :augie
 
Apparently they have a rather dapper T shirt, oh hang on, getting a sense of Deja vous. :D
 
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Mmm this is not going the way I had envisaged.

There does seem to be a problem with the Policing methods used in North Wales. The Chef Constable has recently changed but the attitude of that force will remain until its nudged in the right direction.

I ride a motorbike. The Police are trying to discourage motorbikes in Snowdonia. Lots of you out there are talking about riding sensibly, responsibly, within the speed limits and on a fully road legal bikes.

Well so do I and I have an 08 R1200GS MU with all the options.
Im a driving instructor for cars.
I drive a Fire Engine for Cumbria Fire Service.
I have IAM membership.

Im not advocating any sort of illegality. I look at this in the same way that the walkers did with the Right to Roam campaign in the '80s

I work with the Police on a daily basis and just like the reset of us they sometimes get it wrong both individually and as a group. It will take something like this action to prompt them to take a look at themselves and realize that discriminating against one type of road user is not appropriate.

Of course it depends how we behave on the day. But Id have thought, we represent the more responsible end of the motorbike spectrum and thus we are a group that would be most suited to take part in this event.

Lastly, remember this yes you ride a nice BMW but its a motorbike and the people and groups that dont like motorbikes dont like yours just the same!
 
Mmm this is not going the way I had envisaged.

There does seem to be a problem with the Policing methods used in North Wales. The Chef Constable has recently changed but the attitude of that force will remain until its nudged in the right direction.

I ride a motorbike. The Police are trying to discourage motorbikes in Snowdonia. Lots of you out there are talking about riding sensibly, responsibly, within the speed limits and on a fully road legal bikes.

Well so do I and I have an 08 R1200GS MU with all the options.
Im a driving instructor for cars.
I drive a Fire Engine for Cumbria Fire Service.
I have IAM membership.

Im not advocating any sort of illegality. I look at this in the same way that the walkers did with the Right to Roam campaign in the '80s

I work with the Police on a daily basis and just like the reset of us they sometimes get it wrong both individually and as a group. It will take something like this action to prompt them to take a look at themselves and realize that discriminating against one type of road user is not appropriate.

Of course it depends how we behave on the day. But Id have thought, we represent the more responsible end of the motorbike spectrum and thus we are a group that would be most suited to take part in this event.

Lastly, remember this yes you ride a nice BMW but its a motorbike and the people and groups that dont like motorbikes dont like yours just the same!

That's all very laudable Mike, but if you read the links above, most people seem to think (including myself) that this ride, although for the right reasons, is very likely to shoot itself in the foot......it is, unfortunately, more of PR stunt by MCN than anything else, and the sports bike knobber riders seem to be determined to turn up with their 'I've got a small plate, so what, why aren't you nicking proper criminals' attitude.

It will only take a few minor infringements, or one or two twats riding like knobjockeys on this ride out, to dent the motorcyclists' cause and you can guarantee that the relevant anti brigade will pick it up, blow it up and use it as further proof that we SHOULD be banned from the place.

You'll also see (from those other threads) that the vast majority of people who ride there sensibly and responsibly have never been stopped or had any aggro......so is there, in reality,anything to 'take back' if it hasn't been taken away from anyone apart from those who don't deserve to use it anyway :nenau

Rather than working against the police, it seems to me we should be working with them, but also standing firm against the illegal or unfair blanket banning of PTW's from the area as Brunstrum advocated.

That's not going to be accomplished by encouraging hundreds of loonies in irridium visors to ride like plonkers in an already sensitive area.....I'm afraid the only result I can see coming from this exercise is damage to our future pleasure in riding in N Wales and as a Welsh Dragon might say....for that reason Mike, I'm out.







Did ya see what I did there huh?? :blast

Coat, getting.
 
Interesting thread..

I returned from the North West yesterday down to London with my brother riding pillion, thought I'd show him the Cat and Fiddle, a road I really like but don't visit often.

I introduced the road to him as 'officially the most dangerous road in the UK'.

During the relatively brief ascent from the Macclesfield side I encountered two very poor overtakes, a speed triple rider coming round a blind corner from the opposite direction fully committed dead in the centre of the road causing me to take action (the outcome there would have been very different in a car) and as the final cherry on the cake a bike through a stone wall and down an embankment (looked like a Duke 999).

Well that part of the A537 certainly demands respect- but on that evidence it's the riders that are dangerous, not the road.. :rob

I'm sure there's a movement to reclaim the Cat and Fiddle run too.. :augie :)

What occurred to me was just how much the locals might well dislike motorcyclists..
 
What occurred to me was just how much the locals might well dislike motorcyclists..

Hence the reason that there have been several cases of farmers deliberately spilling diesel and silage onto that road.

Alledgedly :augie
 
Hence the reason that there have been several cases of farmers deliberately spilling diesel and silage onto that road.

Alledgedly :augie

Good grief, that's a worry :eek: (allegedly)
 
A quick Google search turns up nothing easily, so it could just be an apocryphal story, but it's one I've heard several times and I'm sure someone more local may know more about it :)
 
AVOIDING WAILS OVER WALES

From t'interweb, North Wales Police say they stop around 400 motorcyclists every weekend during the summer months, they admit that only around 10% are found to have breached any ‘road safety legislation’

bon chance

‘Protest with care’ is the British Motorcyclists Federation’s message to riders supporting the Motor Cycle News ‘Reclaim North Wales’ campaign planned for Sunday 13th September.

While backing the MCN campaign, an initiative designed to assert the rights of law-abiding motorcyclists to ride free of police harassment on the roads of North Wales, the BMF nevertheless advises motorcyclists taking part in the protest ride to double-check that they fully comply with the law and leave no legitimate reason to be stopped by the police.

“When you are protesting about any element of law enforcement, it is extremely important to make sure that your own house is in order,” said the BMF’s Government Relations Executive, Chris Hodder.

While some checks sound obvious, the BMF have issued a 10 point reminder for participants to not only comply with all speed limits and road signs but to ensure that a rider’s:

•Driving licence is valid
•Insurance is valid
•Machine is taxed and the disc displayed on nearside (it’s an
offence not to)
•Tyres are legal (1 mm minimum tread depth across ¾ width of
tyre)
•Visor is legal (75% light transmission)
•Aftermarket exhaust systems are clearly stamped with ‘BSAU 193a’
and a number and/or the European "E" mark.
•Number plate is full size see
www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/leaflets/v796.pdf
•Lights are working (including stop light)
•Indicators are working
•Motorcycle has a current MOT and can be seen to be roadworthy

North Wales Police launched ‘Operation Focus’ to cut motorcycle casualties, but unfortunately say the BMF, it is a clumsy initiative that in reality fails to focus on those causing the real problem – the irresponsible minority. It’s like stopping every football fan just because they like football say the BMF.

Even though North Wales Police say they stop around 400 motorcyclists every weekend during the summer months, they admit that only around 10% are found to have breached any ‘road safety legislation’. Proof that the majority are suffering harassment through the pursuit of a minority say the BMF.
 
Well that part of the A537 certainly demands respect- but on that evidence it's the riders that are dangerous, not the road..

Im confused are you advocating that motorbikes should be banned from this stretch of road? If you are were not too far away from seeing a sign that restricts access to certain roads from motorbikes.

As a fire fighter i know the roads were we commonly have RTCs with cars vans and trucks. Of course something like 90 % are driver error, a car out of position or too fast for the conditions etc. Should we close these roads to all vehicles?

You see i dont have a problem with the police having a campaign to promote safety. I am involved with similar campaigns in Cumbria. But I do object to one group or another being targeted.

As an example: In my humble opinion there is a real problem with senior citizens driving at night I have been to many fatal accidents where eyesight has been the direct cause of the RTC. There is a valid argument for targeting this group at certain times of the night.
But how? Do we see the police stopping OAPs in the cars at the side of the road to do vehicle checks? Do they do those checks late at night in order to discourage OAPs from using there cars at night.
Have I had my point yet?
 


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