Seized Oil Filter R1200RT (2007)

[DrFarkoff]

And therin lies a problem,

A lubricated seal will tighten by hand more than an unlubricated seal

however your or my hand tight, will be way way less than my wifes hand tight.

Ive seen lads tighten a filter so tight, that the lip of the filter is touching the sump ! hand tight

A modicum of common sense and mechanical sympathy Jesus Christ you folks could start a fight in a Nunnery

Lubricate the seal and set filter up on threaded spiggot

Spin it on with your finger tips and when you cannot move it without applying "force"

Fit the tool and tighten 3/4 of a turn more

 

[DrFarkoff]

Doesn’t Steptoe recommend sandpaper?

As mentioned up above Johnny Post 16

 

[Santa-2512]

A modicum of common sense and mechanical sympathy Jesus Christ you folks could start a fight in a Nunnery

Lubricate the seal and set filter up on threaded spiggot

Spin it on with your finger tips and when you cannot move it without applying "force"

Fit the tool and tighten 3/4 of a turn more

I know that, but some of the apprentices didnt :

Dont mention filling the fecker with oil - Jesus , how to get 10 litres in and still not be on the correct mark on the dipstick (car this time )

It happens

 

[NeilH]

I'm trying to get the old one off, putting the new one on is a breeze.

Progress so far.

Bent the strap tool.
Broke my socket wrench (It probably was a cheap one)

Had to order a socket adapter so I can use my large torque wrench. I still haven't drilled holes in the oil filter wrench as sandpaper has given me enough binding, just need to get out the bigger tools!

What fun!

 

[landmarkjohn]

You’re definately turning it the right way.......no, no, don’t laugh, it happens to the best of us...

 

[kirby morgan]

Make sure the rubber seal comes away with the old filter. Otherwise you can screw the new filter onto the old seal and it will leak oil.

 

[jetjock]

You’re definately turning it the right way.......no, no, don’t laugh, it happens to the best of us...

I’ve done that on a car

 

[steadysteve]

It is written in the instructions onthe filter by the manufacturer!

Tighten by hand and then a further 3/4s of a turn

Therein lies the problem-- folks are following the instructions.
Post a video next time you do the extra 3/4 turn....

 

[theoneandonly]

is it off yet ?

 

[Steptoe]

Cut a strip of wet and dry, fold it in half so the abrasive is on both sides, and put it between the strap and filter, the extra grip should get it off.

Doesn’t Steptoe recommend sandpaper?

I'm trying to get the old one off, putting the new one on is a breeze.

Progress so far.

Bent the strap tool.
Broke my socket wrench (It probably was a cheap one)

Had to order a socket adapter so I can use my large torque wrench. I still haven't drilled holes in the oil filter wrench as sandpaper has given me enough binding, just need to get out the bigger tools!

What fun!

Yep, sandpaper everytime... it's never failed to work when i've had to use it.
Some filters have been epic-ally tight, along with the sandpaper/wet or dry, use a very long bar, pull hard and hold it, (don't just keep on pulling until the filter tool slips) after a while of continuous pressure the filter will slowly give..............................

Don't drill holes or insert self tapping screws into the filter, once you go down that road and with no success your bike is going nowhere, except via trailer or breakdown truck. .

 

[MartinK]

Any progress??? Is it off yet???
Had to drill out a fastener yesterday... should have been a quick job but it took all afternoon...I know your pain

 

[NeilH]

Waiting for a socket adapters to be delivered (sometime this week), so no progress yet. Hoping my big torque wrench will help as it has a longer bar than most of my wrenches.

 

[Graham88]

Using a toruqe wrench as a breaker bar

 

[DrFarkoff]

Waiting for a socket adapters to be delivered (sometime this week), so no progress yet. Hoping my big torque wrench will help as it has a longer bar than most of my wrenches.

Using a torque wrench as a breaker bar

IN saying that My old Grandads 50 year old Britool 1/2 inch torque wrench has a Locking mech for using as a breaker bar and push through for reverse thread torque


Oh and NeilH if its that tight Get someone to hold the bike for you!!

Also Use sustained increasing pressure rather than "Jerking" the bar

Jerking does not work as the rubber deforms and returns to shape

Sustained increasing pressure works as it eventually overcomes the Stiction of the rubber to the metal and it tears it away

As Steptoe suggests Use the Sheet of sandpaper wedged between the Filter and the filter tool first before drilling as that can tear the metal as its only a 2 small pressure points, rather than the load spread via the whole outer side of the filter and the tool

 

[Graham88]

IN saying that My old Grandads 50 year old Britool 1/2 inch torque wrench has a Locking mech for using as a breaker bar and push through for reverse thread torque

If that is the case then I withdraw my comment but even still, an actual breaker bar can be had for pennies - failing that a length of pipe over a normal wrench is a much better solution. I would also be in favour of some shock treatment, apply pressure to the bar and when its good and tight, a short sharp blow with a mallet.

 

[NeilH]

At last the update...it's OFF!!!

There was no doubt I had to secure the bike, so it was strapped to the garage rafters and the pressure I had to use certainly rocked the bike and I worried about it moving off the center stand.

I ended up using the oil filter tool, sand paper and an very old torque long heavy wrench that has a fix setting, using my standard socked with extender bar wasn't enough.

So the oil has now been changed

Still stuck with a brake failure light which will be an MOT failure. The GS911 report power failure to ABS and yet I can execute every function on the GS911 to do with the ABS and it works.

Next will be to recharge the battery again, plug in the GS911, reset the ABS error, and record live data on a trip around the village see if I can pick up any other clues.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

At last the update...it's OFF!!!

There was no doubt I had to secure the bike, so it was strapped to the garage rafters and the pressure I had to use certainly rocked the bike and I worried about it moving off the center stand.

I ended up using the oil filter tool, sand paper and an very old torque long heavy wrench that has a fix setting, using my standard socked with extender bar wasn't enough.

So the oil has now been changed

Still stuck with a brake failure light which will be an MOT failure. The GS911 report power failure to ABS and yet I can execute every function on the GS911 to do with the ABS and it works.

Next will be to recharge the battery again, plug in the GS911, reset the ABS error, and record live data on a trip around the village see if I can pick up any other clues.

Good news of sorts

Can’t you just remove the ABS?

 

[DrFarkoff]

Still stuck with a brake failure light which will be an MOT failure. The GS911 report power failure to ABS and yet I can execute every function on the GS911 to do with the ABS and it works.

It should be the later type (Post servo)

Quite possibly the Brushes stuck in theirs holders inside the ABS motor

A common failure in the 2006 to circa 2008 bikes

A good Mod which works really well is to fit an ABS motor off a Mk9 Fiesta

I did it for a friend on his 1200GSA Still working perfectly 3 years later

 

[NeilH]

Everyone of these functions work, hence my feeling of need to replace or remove the ABS motor and they work without error codes.

If I did take it all out and replace it I think I could be back with the same problem. So armed with only a meter and a GS911 it's how can I best find the "short" or breakdown in communications.

 

[DrFarkoff]

If you can "Actuate ABS pump" and hear it run under the tank the brushes are not stuck

Have you actually ridden the bike to see if the light goes out

And to confirm you have no fault codes ?