Shaping points saved as favourites??

[Hamslay]

I did a ride today that used a fair few shaping points to force my route. During navigation, I seem to recall all my shaping points being displayed as white and green hearts. Now, back home, my map is cluttered with all these hearts, with one from every shaping point.

I know I can clear my favourites, but some of my favourites I might want to keep.

Does anyone know why importing a custom route might have made every waypoint and shaping point a favourite? It's a real pain.

 

[Hamslay]

Fixed!

My own routes were created using Tyre. Tyre has an option under Preferences, on the Files tab, called "Use Garmin waypoints/favorites" which defaults to being checked. Another option called "Use route tracks (Garmin, Google Earth)" is also checked. With both options checked, the file generated contains both a waypoint list and a route. It seems to be the waypoint list that causes the problem. If I clear the "Use Garmin waypoints/favorites" box, the route works fine on the Nav V, including shaping points, but with no favorites generated.

As well as using Tyre, I'd downloaded some GPX files from the web. I guess these must have been waypoint elements too rather than a route. To avoid generating favorites, I'll load those downloaded GPXes into Tyre, convert the waypoints to shaping points, and then copy to the Garmin from Tyre using my revised preferences.

 

[Wapping]

Using Tyre, as opposed to Garmin's proprietary BaseCamp software, was indeed the cause of your problem.

Similarly, the GPX routes no doubt carried within them large numbers of points that were created with Waypoints or points that existed some way removed from an actual road, that the device was forced to read as Favourites.

I think that you might have found it easier to have used BaseCamp from the start, where at least the cause of the problem could well have become obvious before you loaded the route into your Nav V. Never mind, you've found a cause (and a solution) which will be useful for other Tyre users. Thank you for posting it up.

 

[daesimps]

At the weekend I created a route in basecamp (I never use any other application) and also noticed that in the navigator v all my shaping points had been added as favorites. It seems there may be something else causing this to happen besides using tyre.

 

[Wapping]

Are you sure that you are creating them as shaping points and not as very specific Waypoints, which will inevitably appear as Favourites.

Can you post up exactly how you create a shaped route, including all the keys and very specific buttons used, please.

Better still, if you could attach the route to this thread, we'll be able to open it up to see if:

(1) We can spot where the problem is.

(2) Whether we can recreate the same route, without the problem.

The only time when I have seen a Favourite being created within my own shaped routes in Basecamp / on my Nav V is when I have:

(A) Created a Waypoint on purpose

(B) Created a Waypoint by mistake

(C) Imported a third party route, without checking it

In short, I can create a shaped route on my Mac in BaseCamp from A to G (via five shaping points B, C, D, E and F) without five Favourites popping up and then display the same shaped route on my two Nav V's with no problems at all. If I can help you to do the same, I will.


As an example, I will before Sunday night attach a shaped route I've created and attach it to this thread if I can. Open it up and see what happens when you run it in BaseCamp and on your device. If the shaping points I've used do not appear as Favourites at your end, we'll be on our way to solving the mystery, I hope.

 

[daesimps]

Yep, they are shaping points added by dragging the route in basecamp. Show in basecamp as little dots and in the route properties they are set as do not alert.

When navigating they don't get announced but when I go into favorites on the navigator they all show up.

 

[Wapping]

Then that is very odd.

What button (can you give it its exact name please) did you activate before dragging the route? It's possible to drag a route in several ways, so knowing which way you do it would be excellent.

Are you sure that you are dragging the route exactly onto a road and not into a field alongside?

Depending on the scale you are displaying the map at when shaping, it's quite easy to miss a road but for the route to appear normal. The misplaced point may well be converted to a Wapoint (and as such a Favourite) as, in effect, you have created a point in a field. That's just a guess.

If that's happened, you may see the point listed with just a number against it, something like :000001 or 000002 for the next one and so on.

If you can post up your route or send it to me via email, I'll have a go at it for you.

 

[daesimps]

Hold down alt while dragging the route. The other way is using the add point (pencil with a plus on the edit features toolbar). Both yield the same results

 

[daesimps]

It actually looks like it could be a bug. I've used Basecamp (and before it Mapsource) for the last 8 years with no issues.However, just last week I got a Nav V with the new bike and I also know that Basecamp was updated recently.

When checking the Nav V for the route we did this weekend I noticed the shaping points had been added as favourites. I've cleared the Nav V a few times and resent that route (and also other existing routes I've used in the past) and noticed that sometimes it creates favourites for shaping points and sometimes it doesn't (for the same route being transferred).

I'm therefore suspecting there is a bug. There's no other reason that sending the same route multiple times should result in shaping points being created as favourites some of the time.

 

[Wapping]

OK.

So now it's a question of trying to work out if the bug sits in BaseCamp on your computer or in your new Nav V... Or if it sits wider.

I can't see that I ever get the same problem, using BaseCamp on my Mac and two Nav V's. But, having one of us that does and one that doesn't does not help us to decide much.

Has anyone using BaseCamp (not using Tyre or some other third party software) but using a Nav V, encountered a similar problem to daesimps'?

 

[khunpaul]

I use a Nav V with both Mapsource and Basecamp depending on what I am doing. I have not seen this. My software version is currently 3.0 and GPS Firmware 3.05.14 are there later versions?

Try asking the question on www.zumoforums.com where there are fantastic GPS experts who love to help and are not just UKGSER users. There is no Nav V heading so suggest you post under Zumo 590.

 

[Wapping]

Based on my and now khunpaul's findings... Both of us running BaseCamp and between us three Nav V's without the same problem.... It might indicate that the glitch lies somewhere in daesimps' camp.

 

[Tomcat]

I noticed this when I started using Basecamp - some shaping points are waypoints but not by my choosing. It seems to happen if you drag the route onto a location that has a description associated with it, such as a shop, or town name etc etc. These points are announced on the Nav V and worse still, have to be skipped if they are not passed through (the Nav V has a 'skip' icon for this). The good news is that it is easy to change these unintended 'waypoints' to regular shaping points: open the route in Basecamp, scroll down the list of way and shaping points. Shaping points are shown as not announced. Change any waypoints to be 'not announced' by R-click and select 'do not announce' from the menu. I think this will also stop these points appearing in the Favourites list

 

[khunpaul]

I noticed this when I started using Basecamp - some shaping points are waypoints but not by my choosing. It seems to happen if you drag the route onto a location that has a description associated with it, such as a shop, or town name etc etc. These points are announced on the Nav V and worse still, have to be skipped if they are not passed through (the Nav V has a 'skip' icon for this). The good news is that it is easy to change these unintended 'waypoints' to regular shaping points: open the route in Basecamp, scroll down the list of way and shaping points. Shaping points are shown as not announced. Change any waypoints to be 'not announced' by R-click and select 'do not announce' from the menu. I think this will also stop these points appearing in the Favourites list

Yes, I do that as well in conjunction with minimising the number of points needed in the first place. For example if you let Basecamp convert a track to a route and let it decide how many points then you get hundreds. So I do that as a model then I restrict the points to say 10 then 15 etc etc until the route matches the track. After that I go in and un- announce them all.

 

[Wapping]

You can also convert individual Waypoints to shaping points and visa-versa from within the Nav V device itself.

It's quite a useful function to have and learn.