Shift cam or not?

[Tigger390]

I think its a crap review aimed at getting views and making him money. I'm not going to say the bike is perfect, far from it, I could give you a list of things I think should be there for the money, and are already on cheaper alternatives, but he clearly doesn't know the bike that well. As has been previously said the oil filler cap is removed using the screw driver handle in the tool kit, and the transition between cams is not noticeable at all, not like my VFR800 VTEC. Also the hill start assist can be rider operated only if you wish as that is how mine is set, so all that turning round on a slope is no different to any other bike. As for making comments like you can't see the speedo while standing up because of the GPS??? Try standing up on most adventure bikes and see if you can see the dash and GPS as well.
Pure sensationalism and poor reviewing for personal gain. I for one won't bother with any more of his reviews in the future.

 

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I for one won't bother with any more of his reviews in the future.

FortNine and Ryan will now loose sleep over that comment.

 

[Engineer]

Nothing

However, The greater Ooomph as you put it, is just the side affect of the shift cam and greater cc to get it through the tighter regs.
All a bonus. Just wished they'd used proper VV than the old shite they have decided to go with, Cost I suppose ?
Maybe the R1300GS will have proper VV , who knows ?

Only BMW know, engineering is always compromise of a lot of variables - my only complaint is the ever increasing weight.

 

[Warlord]

But ownership allows a correct view and honest information , test rides mean f all .

I agree with this.

Coming from a ZZR1400 and VFR1200 into the BMW R1200GSA

If I'd test riden the R1200GSA I would never have bought one.

Freak of a bike to be honest.

BUT, because I had to ride the piece of rattling cow turd back home and keep it, I became to love it, like the freak bike it is.

Now I won't sell it, ace bike (now I've rebuilt it to my spec)

 

[Deleted account 250319001]

Yes, but i think he was referring to me.
I know nothing about GS's. Nothing. Not sure why I'm even here. Wished I had one though....

Engineer. I was only saying this the other day, After my 1150GS (2000) the weight fell away with the new R1200, at the cost of final drives and gearboxes, in early 2005 to at least 2007/8. And the weight crept back up.
All that said, I bought a Triumph Tiger explorer. (2013) That was heavy, and it was all up top. At least the GS has it lower down.

 

[stick]

That must be why the Challenger shuttle failed .... If only they owned it LOL
I know 1980's Skodas were shit, or I thought i did , as now im confused.... As ive never owned one. Oh well, .....

Jesus , do you ride a 1250 .............................................................

 

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Jesus has a GS ?
Holy S**t ...... Hope he checks his drive shaft .

 

[stick]

Jesus has a GS ?
Holy S**t ...... Hope he checks his drive shaft .

Only at Easter

 

[Matty589]

I think its a crap review aimed at getting views and making him money. I'm not going to say the bike is perfect, far from it, I could give you a list of things I think should be there for the money, and are already on cheaper alternatives, but he clearly doesn't know the bike that well. As has been previously said the oil filler cap is removed using the screw driver handle in the tool kit, and the transition between cams is not noticeable at all, not like my VFR800 VTEC. Also the hill start assist can be rider operated only if you wish as that is how mine is set, so all that turning round on a slope is no different to any other bike. As for making comments like you can't see the speedo while standing up because of the GPS??? Try standing up on most adventure bikes and see if you can see the dash and GPS as well.
Pure sensationalism and poor reviewing for personal gain. I for one won't bother with any more of his reviews in the future.

Thanks for making my day. You’re absolutely hilarious! I’m sure he’s gutted you won’t be watching anymore.

 

[stick]

Thanks for making my day. You’re absolutely hilarious! I’m sure he’s gutted you won’t be watching anymore.

Dont see your point , Tigger 390 made an observation , you however seem to TTP

 

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Thanks for making my day. You’re absolutely hilarious! I’m sure he’s gutted you won’t be watching anymore.

I see your point !

 

[Engineer]

Yes, but i think he was referring to me.
I know nothing about GS's. Nothing. Not sure why I'm even here. Wished I had one though....

Engineer. I was only saying this the other day, After my 1150GS (2000) the weight fell away with the new R1200, at the cost of final drives and gearboxes, in early 2005 to at least 2007/8. And the weight crept back up.
All that said, I bought a Triumph Tiger explorer. (2013) That was heavy, and it was all up top. At least the GS has it lower down.

As a bike is my only personal transport the GS fits the bill admirably, I am concerned that the increasing weight may force me into something less good in the future, which will be sad

 

[Mr Bean]

As a bike is my only personal transport the GS fits the bill admirably, I am concerned that the increasing weight may force me into something less good in the future, which will be sad

I can't feel a weight difference between my last 1200lc compared to my 1250.

Torque on the other hand is a significant improvement.

 

[CPJS]

As a bike is my only personal transport the GS fits the bill admirably, I am concerned that the increasing weight may force me into something less good in the future, which will be sad

As bike modern bikes get better the 8/900cc bracket holds some very good bikes out there. you could lose 30kg compared to the GS and still have a cracking bike and save £6000 in the process. XR900, Tracer 900, tiger etc they are all good.

 

[littleade]

I think it's a poor review.

For example, he picks on the fact that it doesn't have variable valve timing and picks on the fact that the two sets of intake lobes can only hit one sweet spot, whilst promoting the Suzuki variable valve timing - whilst almost completely ignoring the fact that the benefit of flow due to the greater lift of the two stage system. That and the fact that the lower lift/duration lobes open the valves at slightly different times means a better combustion at lower rpm.

Or he he suggesting just about every other bike has a better solution with a single lift/duration inlet lobe/s?

He picks on the shift mechanism is operated by a solenoid, because it might fail - have any failed yet?

More laughably is the comment about the oil filler - you'd thought an intelligent person would realise that the screwdriver handle is moulded in the shape of the filler head and the spanner fits the screwdriver to provide the leverage required - there are only a few pcs to the tool kit and he can't work out what they're for?

Finally, why make an issue of the fact that standing on the pegs, the speedo can be obscured by the sat nav mount - bit of a daft comment really.

Thanks for posting this- saved me some typing Bit of a piss poor review IMO, he also moaned about the hillstart coming on off road without knowing he could switch it off auto ....... then to blow any credibility he had left he suggests GS riders think about getting the Vstrom blah blah blah... bit like telling an X5 owner to get a Dacia. Not one of his better efforts

 

[longdog]

But ownership allows a correct view and honest information , test rides mean f all .

Not really true. When you own a bike, you tend to have invested a lot of money and time and so you get used to niggles and foibles and you tend to get a little defensive when any third party offers criticism and also brand loyalty will come into as well.

Test rides offer a brief opportunity to gain an impression of a motorcycle or car, etc. So you get to see something, usually, in the best possible light and you also tend to ride it harder and generally be less considerate as it is not your bike. If test rides really do “mean f all”, then why do people bother taking them?

 

[leadfarmer]

As bike modern bikes get better the 8/900cc bracket holds some very good bikes out there. you could lose 30kg compared to the GS and still have a cracking bike and save £6000 in the process. XR900, Tracer 900, tiger etc they are all good.

Spot on

 

[stick]

Not really true. When you own a bike, you tend to have invested a lot of money and time and so you get used to niggles and foibles and you tend to get a little defensive when any third party offers criticism and also brand loyalty will come into as well.

Test rides offer a brief opportunity to gain an impression of a motorcycle or car, etc. So you get to see something, usually, in the best possible light and you also tend to ride it harder and generally be less considerate as it is not your bike. If test rides really do “mean f all”, then why do people bother taking them?

Not to me and a lot of others , the investment is for a machine that I want to ride , not protect , also you say you push a bike on test harder than you would ride you own , don’t be daft .
A test ride will give you the idea that maybe it will suit you , but to slag off a bike you don’t own from a test ride is no use to anyone and a waste of air .
Ownership allows you to develop a proper and informed view of a bike .
I have test ridden lots of bikes , decided perhaps not for me , but without a good few rides out on roads you prefer. The SDGT , done about 600 miles on one now and as it’s a great bike , engine wise it’s not the best handling or comfortable , this was gained from riding one on roads I know , over 3 or 4 rides .

 

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Not to me and a lot of others , the investment is for a machine that I want to ride , not protect , also you say you push a bike on test harder than you would ride you own , don’t be daft .
A test ride will give you the idea that maybe it will suit you , but to slag off a bike you don’t own from a test ride is no us to anyone and a waste of air .
Ownership allows you to develop a proper and informed view of a bike .

Tell me what id learn from my last 1200 GSA to the new 1250GSA by owning it ?
Its a little more power. A different shaped plastic plug cover, a new sticker ?

 

[stick]

Tell me what id learn from my last 1200 GSA to the new 1250GSA by owning it ?
Its a little more power. A different shaped plastic plug cover, a new sticker ?

The 1250 is better , and I would not go back to the 1200 , a backwards step . Rode one again and found it lacking , the same reason I upgraded .