Shorai Lithium Battery

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Just got a Shorai Lithium battery for my GS. I do ride in the winter, but winters here are not crazy cold. I already have one in one of my dirt bikes and it has worked out okay. I also have the proper charger.

The standard battery dies in the cold anyways too.
 
I seem to be going through batteries faster. This Battery is guaranteed for three years and have been going through a battery every year now, so I though I would put one in. Plus it has more cranking power.
 
If the standard battery is dieing in the winter your lithium is bound to give you issues as well. I think lithium batteries are a great idea and will some day be the stock battery but just not yet.
 
I know about Lithium batteries in the cold and from what I have found from guys who have them here. They work fine in our Vancouver winters. But, I will have to wait and see.
 
LiFePo batteries are smaller and have a higher charge density than lead acid so for starting purposes a smaller Amp Hour rating is fine. If you want to run a laptop off the bike battery when camping a full fat Odyssey may be a better bet.

No problems on a four banger at 32F (0C)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R-rS5pWB8c

Ballistic and Shorai don't deliver full current when really cold but two or there start attempts will warm the battery and it will then swing the engine over fine. To be fair my GSA was reluctant at -5C with a lead acid.

The LiFePo has a high internal resistance when cold so has to be warmed with a few attempted starts. Two or three attempts get it to 15C and the bike starts fine. Another advantage is a slow start will move some oil around the engine before the cylinders fire.

This is 17F (-10C) or less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjJ-NPA2F08
 
There is a massive thread over on adventure rider about lithium batteries. Experiments were done which proved that the pbequ figures for most manufacturers are inaccurate at best, downright fabricated at worst. There is no industry standard for the pbequ figure. It was quite common to have to go up 2 sizes from the recommended to get an AH good enough. A bike like a 1200GS has a high parasitic drain which compounds the issue.
 
A "normal" battery needs to be topped up with an Optimate (to avoid permanent sulphating damage), so topping up an LiFePo to handle the parasitic drain should not be an issue. But the latter can be run dead flat and recharged without damage. A lead acid will be ruined when that happens.

A "normal" Pb battery has a relatively high AH figure because its not possible to fully discharge the battery without damage. It may take 14 to 16AH to fully charge but it will never deliver that much before the voltage drops dangerously low. If its also powering a starter motor the usable AH capacity falls further. "Deep cycle" batteries used in boat and caravans will deliver more % capacity but they are unlikely to have much engine starting punch.

For use as a starter battery the main figure is cranking amps. The next figure is how many start attempts it will deliver when cold. A Pb needs enough excess capacity to cope with the loss of chemical efficiency at low temperatures to deliver that first punch and hopefully start the engine. After that its shot until warmed up. The LiFePo needs enough capacity to heat itself and then it will start the engine. Neither need enough to do anything above and beyond that. Worrying about the AH Pb equivalent is like comparing apples and pears.

I've got an Odyssey 535 which came to me 2nd hand. Its great never even faltered even when the bike had been out in the frost all night, but very heavy and fully fills the battery box. Its almost certainly way over spec for the job. Had that not turned up, I'd have spent the extra on a Ballistic and put it under the petrol tank. 8 cell is probably big enough but 12 cell would be sure.
 


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