STANDING ON YOUR PEGS

[CuzGS]

Sorry it's pure physics trust me, you might feel the weight low down but I promise you the c of g rises, it's an absolute fact, a dull one admittedly but an absolute fact none the less, if it's not a lot of aircraft would be crashing I promise you . Again relevance to riding , not a lot for most people


Ooh I posted that without seeing Mark A s post., you ate quite right and I think people are confusing c of g issues with leverage. Oh and the point weight is felt is immaterial for c of g, it's where it acts so feeling more or the balls of your feet may well give you more feel but it don't lower the c of g honest

Done to death I think now, I'm beginning to doubt physics and 100 years of aircraft design

 

[MELLOWYELLOW]

When doing advanced training I was taught to stand on the pegs if it would give improved visibility to make overtakes safer on an undulating road and by giving a clearer view beyond the target vehicle.

It works, changing a marginal into a definite almost immediately. You do need to be confident doing a shoulder check as you are sitting down and initiating the manouvre. Falling off would kind of negate the benefit

You've got to be kidding me right ? Who ever trained you to do that should be shot.

If the only way you can see past a vehicle is to stand up on the pegs then something is very wrong.

Earlier obs or positioning your bike to get a better view is the way to go mate

 

[GunZenBomZ]

You've got to be kidding me right ? Who ever trained you to do that should be shot.

If the only way you can see past a vehicle is to stand up on the pegs then something is very wrong.

Earlier obs or positioning your bike to get a better view is the way to mate

I certainly have one if not two videos of police motorcycle riders on duty doing this, possibly even over-taking whilst been up on pegs. Each to there own, its not illegal as long as your bike isn't wobbling about in a uncontrolled manner.

 

[Timolgra]

Done to death I think now, I'm beginning to doubt physics and 100 years of motorcycle riding

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[bowser]

You've got to be kidding me right ? Who ever trained you to do that should be shot.

If the only way you can see past a vehicle is to stand up on the pegs then something is very wrong.

Earlier obs or positioning your bike to get a better view is the way to mate

well best you shoot all the instructors at Hendon as I was required to be able to ride standing on the pegs, as well as round the training roads on the hendon estate riding side saddle, swapping both feet from one side of the bike to the other, standing on the seat and a whole bunch of other stuff all for confidence building all at slow speed, as well full lock turns and lock to lock turns.
Now it seems to work for them, and as it is the oldest police driving school in the world, and the manual of advanced riding was based on the training given at Hendon, what exactly would qualify you to know better, and for your opinion to be of more worth?

 

[MELLOWYELLOW]

I certainly have one if not two videos of police motorcycle riders on duty doing this, possibly even over-taking whilst been up on pegs. Each to there own, its not illegal as long as your bike isn't wobbling about in a uncontrolled manner.

I'm fairly certain there's no section in police road craft that suggest or supports the idea

If rider needs to do anything like crane their necks to peer past a vehicle, or stand up to see over a vehicle then they really aren't doing it right.

 

[MELLOWYELLOW]

well best you shoot all the instructors at Hendon as I was required to be able to ride standing on the pegs, as well as round the training roads on the hendon estate riding side saddle, swapping both feet from one side of the bike to the other, standing on the seat and a whole bunch of other stuff all for confidence building all at slow speed, as well full lock turns and lock to lock turns.
Now it seems to work for them, and as it is the oldest police driving school in the world, and the manual of advanced riding was based on the training given at Hendon, what exactly would qualify you to know better, and for your opinion to be of more worth?

You answered your own point there....... for confidence at slow speed. Out on the open road - I think not!

 

[Giles]

well best you shoot all the instructors at Hendon as I was required to be able to ride standing on the pegs, as well as round the training roads on the hendon estate riding side saddle, swapping both feet from one side of the bike to the other, standing on the seat and a whole bunch of other stuff all for confidence building all at slow speed, as well full lock turns and lock to lock turns.
Now it seems to work for them, and as it is the oldest police driving school in the world, and the manual of advanced riding was based on the training given at Hendon, what exactly would qualify you to know better, and for your opinion to be of more worth?

Ahhhh, but that's different

I completely endorse the whole idea of learning to be at one with yer bike. So to that end, yes - standing up, riding side saddle, taking yer jacket off on the move .... all those tricks and games to get you completely natural and part of the bike is good. (If I was running standard or advanced courses I'd spend 40 mins every morning for three weeks playing in cones, giant slaloms, obstacle courses against the clock, you name it, i'd chuck it in there....).

But for one purpose only - to be a natural on a bike.

The art of quick road riding has (in my not so humble opinion ) no place for standing up to see whats coming / round a bend / over a hedge row etc etc. Yes I may well put my weight through my pegs and hover over the seat over a level crossing to save my arse, but I never have and never will physically stand up to get a view.

 

[MELLOWYELLOW]

Ahhhh, but that's different

I completely endorse the whole idea of learning to be at one with yer bike. So to that end, yes - standing up, riding side saddle, taking yer jacket off on the move .... all those tricks and games to get you completely natural and part of the bike is good. (If I was running standard or advanced courses I'd spend 40 mins every morning for three weeks playing in cones, giant slaloms, obstacle courses against the clock, you name it, i'd chuck it in there....).

But for one purpose only - to be a natural on a bike.

The art of quick road riding has (in my not so humble opinion ) no place for standing up to see whats coming / round a bend / over a hedge row etc etc. Yes I may well put my weight through my pegs and hover over the seat over a level crossing to save my arse, but I never have and never will physically stand up to get a view.

Here, here ! exactly the point I was making.

I may also hover over the seat allow the free expulsion of gas, but otherwise can't think of a single occasion where I've ever needed it.

In certain aspects of off road riding its essential. On road - never needed (save for cattle grids - even then an inch off the seat is all that's required)

 

[Number 6]

When standing body weight goes through the pegs that are obviously lower.

Complete and utter bollocks

By standing up your weight is going through your feet to the bike;
when sitting it goes through your ass which is normally a lot higher than your feet.
It is this that makes the bike more stable.

and again, bollocks.

Why do people choose to deny a simple physical fact?

Standing up raises the centre of gravity, it is absolutely impossible for it to do otherwise. By standing up you have more control over your bodyweight, which gives you better balance. When you're sat on your arse on the seat you can shift your weight very little, in effect you are a just part of the bike.

 

[Giles]

yeah yeah ... we heard you the first time ......

 

[Number 6]

yeah yeah ... we heard you the first time ......

Ha ha , too fast Sherlock

 

[v8legend]

Complete and utter bollocks .

Now they can affect your centre of gravity!

 

[Greger]

I did not metion c of g I was talking stability so it aint bollocks the way I have written it.

 

[mrsroynie]

The art of quick road riding has (in my not so humble opinion ) no place for standing up to see whats coming / round a bend / over a hedge row etc etc. Yes I may well put my weight through my pegs and hover over the seat over a level crossing to save my arse, but I never have and never will physically stand up to get a view.

Just purely out of curiosity, I wonder what your opinion is of the French police riding style. We caught an episode of Appels d'Urgence (a sort of French Police, Camera, Action) that centred on the motorcycle branch of the Police Nationale in Paris. Bearing in mind that most of us probably view riding in central Paris as a sort of Death Race scenario, it was pretty awe-inspiring to see their riders crossing busy junctions, standing on the pegs, while at the same time directing traffic with both hands, whistle in mouth, on escort duty either for VIPs or for other emergency services.

Irrelevant to this thread but useful/interesting to know, if you ever feel the need for speed around the Peripherique, the PN also have a plain-clothes branch called the Gardiens de la Paix who ride two-up on sports bikes in plain black leather. The only identifying features are the red stripe on their helmets and a discreet armband ...

P.S. Apart from the above example, most people who stand on their pegs on the road look like proper knobs - especially if they are wearing their twat suit at the time. Don't. Just don't.

 

[Number 6]

I did not metion c of g I was talking stability so it aint bollocks the way I have written it.

By standing up the bike becomes less stable. Which means you have more control over it because your inputs have more effect.

Imagine the red square is a solid block of metal weighing one ton which is fastened to the seat.
Where is the centre of gravity? (it's within the red square)

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Now imagine the same one ton block of metal raised up but fastened by girders to the footrests.
Where is the centre of gravity now? (it's still within the red square but higher up from the ground than before)
In which condition would the bike be less stable?

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[CuzGS]

Thanks No 6, exactly what Ive been saying but at work so cant post pictures, you sum it up perfectly

 

[Timolgra]

Where is the centre of gravity now?

More importantly, where's the centre of effort?

 

[earthmover]

And finally, (maybe) after pages and pages of argument, does anybody still give a fcuk?
Mark
(After two hours of riding, on a bike without a seat! )

 

[GunZenBomZ]

Irrelevant to this thread but useful/interesting to know, if you ever feel the need for speed around the Peripherique, the PN also have a plain-clothes branch called the Gardiens de la Paix who ride two-up on sports bikes in plain black leather. The only identifying features are the red stripe on their helmets and a discreet armband ...

P.S. Apart from the above example, most people who stand on their pegs on the road look like proper knobs - especially if they are wearing their twat suit at the time. Don't. Just don't.

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