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g.s.john

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having checked out some threads on here and spoke to a few tossers to replace oem showa's i finally took the plunge and ordered new front and rear wilbers from every accessory suspension 0121 501 3321 for £785.50 delivery in two and half weeks,they come with a five year warranty!!!thats what swung it they will get a good work out on the g.o.c in june.
 
I did the same - best thing I've done for my bike (1100)

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Just to throw some oil into fire

Cheap doesn't nessesarily mean they're good. Well, you'll most probably be OK if you ride UK-s smooth roads with ANY kind of shock. Dampening characteristics on Wilbers designed shocks is relatively good, but I wouldn't recommend travelling third-world with loaded bike on Wilbers shocks, especially if you often like riding your bike offroad.

Mine rear Wilbers failed over 5 times doing that (OEM rear had worked for 80Kkm by the time I left home, OEM front still works @ 113K). Looks like the main issue are the materials and design on Wilbers (lower price payoffs?). Capped type of canister (i.e. Öhlins makes pressurized canister in 1-piece, more expensive to make, a bit heavier, but considerably more reliable and stronger design imho), too small diameter piston rod (smaller sealing force per surface area) and the coating of the rod is one of the worst quality on all makers I've seen so far. Mine got polished spots on coating already after 10Kkm of riding (= pissing oil), while Öhlins had canister cap fallen down after huge bottoming out, and I rode with loose cap shaking-scratching the rod over 10Kkm - NOT A SINGLE scratch on the coating and absolutely no polished spots after almost 20Kkm. The cap material proved to be considerably softer than the coating = vastly better coating quality than Wilbers IMHO.

The problem with R850/1100/1150GS bikes is that the shock is too hidden-covered into the chassis = bad airflow and cooling. Overheated shock is one of the main issues on oilheads (i.e. on hexa-heads (the 1200s), they have much more air flow to the rear shock, so it's a big improvement over oilheads in terms of proper design)

And about cooling on Wilbers - another design flaw is that the canister cap is of a closed type, with just a screwdriver hole to open it = poor cooling for the seal. Öhlins has 3 big venting holes in the cap placed at every 120 degrees - I think that's the key reason why Öhlins shock still works w/o any leak while it has recieved more abuse than my Wilbers ever did here in South-America.

Öhlins hasn't proven itself 100% reliable too I must point out. One design flaw on Öhlins shocks seems to be the preloading mechanism that uses o- profile ring seal instead of a rectangular or an x-ring that would sound much more logical for me. Using simple o-ring means it's more prone for dirt to penetrate onto moving surfaces, and less stable sealing of the pressurized oil in the preloader (i.e. on x-profile seal the sealing properties improve with the pressure). Our preloader has leaked empty 2 times, but this hasn't stopped us going forward - you can manually lift all the preload mechanism down yourself to get the correct preload. The shock itself works, which is a miracle compared to Wilbers.

Forget the Wilbers 5-year warranty on South-America - only 1 dealer per vast S-Am! I just threw mine away in the end, I never got it to work for more than 1000 kilometers till it pissed all the oil out again.

Just my 2c about my experience with the shocks in extremely hard conditions.
 
wow... now that was a rant and a half. But i'm not put off. still happy with them. and if the worst does happen and they have to get fixed.. the importer is only 60 miles away and the original shocks are sitting in a box in the attic.:thumb2

Just my 2c about my experience with the shocks in extremely hard conditions.

what you have experienced in south america is rather different to what I will experience on the roads of south Derbyshire - or indeed on any road in the UK. :augie so - not something i'm going to lose any sleep over..

Seems very odd to me that despite these flaws the shocks have been and remain incredibly popular with our American cousins. (apart from when there was a hoo har with the importer and wilbers became enemy No1) In fact I've yet to find anyone who has had the bad luck that you have had.

both 'pavement' and 'dirt' riders alike say the same. but hey ho.. what do they know? what do I know? anything can break... just ask a 1200 owner.
 
Cheap doesn't nessesarily mean they're good. Well, you'll most probably be OK if you ride UK-s smooth roads with ANY kind of shock. Dampening characteristics on Wilbers designed shocks is relatively good, but I wouldn't recommend travelling third-world with loaded bike on Wilbers shocks, especially if you often like riding your bike offroad.

Mine rear Wilbers failed over 5 times doing that (OEM rear had worked for 80Kkm by the time I left home, OEM front still works @ 113K). Looks like the main issue are the materials and design on Wilbers (lower price payoffs?). Capped type of canister (i.e. Öhlins makes pressurized canister in 1-piece, more expensive to make, a bit heavier, but considerably more reliable and stronger design imho), too small diameter piston rod (smaller sealing force per surface area) and the coating of the rod is one of the worst quality on all makers I've seen so far. Mine got polished spots on coating already after 10Kkm of riding (= pissing oil), while Öhlins had canister cap fallen down after huge bottoming out, and I rode with loose cap shaking-scratching the rod over 10Kkm - NOT A SINGLE scratch on the coating and absolutely no polished spots after almost 20Kkm. The cap material proved to be considerably softer than the coating = vastly better coating quality than Wilbers IMHO.

The problem with R850/1100/1150GS bikes is that the shock is too hidden-covered into the chassis = bad airflow and cooling. Overheated shock is one of the main issues on oilheads (i.e. on hexa-heads (the 1200s), they have much more air flow to the rear shock, so it's a big improvement over oilheads in terms of proper design)

And about cooling on Wilbers - another design flaw is that the canister cap is of a closed type, with just a screwdriver hole to open it = poor cooling for the seal. Öhlins has 3 big venting holes in the cap placed at every 120 degrees - I think that's the key reason why Öhlins shock still works w/o any leak while it has recieved more abuse than my Wilbers ever did here in South-America.

Öhlins hasn't proven itself 100% reliable too I must point out. One design flaw on Öhlins shocks seems to be the preloading mechanism that uses o- profile ring seal instead of a rectangular or an x-ring that would sound much more logical for me. Using simple o-ring means it's more prone for dirt to penetrate onto moving surfaces, and less stable sealing of the pressurized oil in the preloader (i.e. on x-profile seal the sealing properties improve with the pressure). Our preloader has leaked empty 2 times, but this hasn't stopped us going forward - you can manually lift all the preload mechanism down yourself to get the correct preload. The shock itself works, which is a miracle compared to Wilbers.

Forget the Wilbers 5-year warranty on South-America - only 1 dealer per vast S-Am! I just threw mine away in the end, I never got it to work for more than 1000 kilometers till it pissed all the oil out again.

Just my 2c about my experience with the shocks in extremely hard conditions.

thanks for that though your use of a bike that is alledgedly built for that reason is showing up weaknesses in shocks that are being pushed to their limits,
the vast majority of g.s. owners me included are not going to ride to that extreme even though we buy the gear to do so:D the only rough stuff i would do is the odd dirt track and across a field to a camp site so going by what tossers say about wilbers i am not anticipating any problems best of luck with the remainder of your trip,
if you ever find a shock that can withstand that the punishment that you are giving it let us know:thumb2:bow
take care
 
Tsiklonaut - After your 'shocking' (:)) problems, if you were doing it all again knowing what you know now, what shocks would you fit?


I'd hazard a guess that Tsiklonaut would fit a standard shock but with a stiffer rear spring.
Anodising doesn't really help with performance:augie
 
HI
Just done over 2000miles off road, fully loaded (Total miles so far 5500miles) with my wilbers and they worked fine. Some of the off road was hard on the shocks, my friends GSA 1150 sump gaurd was hitting the ground in some parts even after we had adjuted them.

Saying that its a shame you can't adjust the damping on them.

Pete
 
me wilbers arrive on wednesday:bounce1 just got to work out how i am going to talk my way out of this one :wife i have wore out the 'it makes the bike safer to ride my little peach' i am in deep do do if this goes wrong she will have me g.s. on here for sale cos i'll be dead so you b@stards better pay a fair price:toungincheek
 
female logic

me wilbers arrived yesterday as promised so i was explaining to my little peach that the rear shock usually wears out first because it takes more punishment,
that's because your fat @rse is on it says she, it's not often i am left speechless.:tears some days i hate wimmin:pullface
Can anyone tell me if the knurled adjuster is for compression or rebound and which way do you turn to increase/decrease, as there are twentyfive clicks top to bottom were is a good starting point to adjust, gonna fit them on saterday:clap out on sunday.
 


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