That didn’t go terribly well!

[Cardinal]

Travelled 200 miles today in delightfully cold weather to part ex my GS for a k1300r. Whilst I was test riding the new bike the BMW dealer’s technician identified that my 16,000 mile bike has:

Jammed exhaust valve
Leaking fork seal
Leaking front master cylinder
Worn rear disk
Worn pads all round

I’d already warned them about corrosion but was unaware of the above.

Dealer quite rightly rejected my bike so no deal and a 200 mile ride home in even colder conditions - 6 degrees and fog......

Always serviced with bmw and under an extended warranty - I’m rather hoping it will cover the first three problems!!

On reflection I’m not sure I’d have enjoyed the ride home, or indeed eight hours in the saddle as much on the naked bike as I did on the GS.

Perhaps time to fix the problems and part ex for a KTM GT?

Does anyone have any idea if the extended warranty will cover the non wear related issues?

Just warming up with a large scotch!

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I think you may get lucky with the exhaust flap

As for the rest

Fork Seal - wear and tear

Leaking front master cylinder - maybe a seal rebuild kit or corrosion - wear and tear

Worn discs and pads - wear and tear

How come you didn't know the bike had these faults - no pre-ride checks??

If I was setting off for 200 miles, I'd have checked the bike more closely than you obviously haven't??

 

[Dennis the Menace]

Travelled 200 miles today in delightfully cold weather to part ex my GS for a k1300r. Whilst I was test riding the new bike the BMW dealer’s technician identified that my 16,000 mile bike has:

Jammed exhaust valve known problem
Leaking fork seal
Leaking front master cylinder. known problem
Worn rear disk
Worn pads all round Bollox front pads last longer than 16000 mile

I’d already warned them about corrosion but was unaware of the above.

Dealer quite rightly rejected my bike so no deal and a 200 mile ride home in even colder conditions - 6 degrees and fog......

Always serviced with bmw and under an extended warranty - I’m rather hoping it will cover the first three problems!!

On reflection I’m not sure I’d have enjoyed the ride home, or indeed eight hours in the saddle as much on the naked bike as I did on the GS.

Perhaps time to fix the problems and part ex for a KTM GT?

Does anyone have any idea if the extended warranty will cover the non wear related issues?

Just warming up with a large scotch!

The tec did you a favour, you could have ended up with a K1300

 

[Rushy]

I think you may get lucky with the exhaust flap

As for the rest

Fork Seal - wear and tear

Leaking front master cylinder - maybe a seal rebuild kit or corrosion - wear and tear

Worn discs and pads - wear and tear

How come you didn't know the bike had these faults - no pre-ride checks??

If I was setting off for 200 miles, I'd have checked the bike more closely than you obviously haven't??

I rode the Honda to work today , 220 miles in total in similarly sunny but cold weather , all across North Wales , my only pre ride check consisted of making sure that the tyres weren't flat. Of course it is a Honda , not a BMW. I did however notice I had a headlamp bulb out .

 

[Stevie4scoops]

They couldn't have been that bothered about selling the 1300R which I imagine would be quite a hard bike to sell.

The problems on your bike apart from the exhaust flap which is likely to be covered under your extended guarantee wouldn't cost a dealer much to fix and I would guess around £200 so considering their workshop will be quiet soon I think they've messed up.

If they'd offered you £200 less for your bike because of the issues you'd probably accepted it and they wouldn't have lost out as it is now they've still got their 1300 to sell.

My thoughts are that they messes up here

 

[Devil]

The exhaust valve is easy to clear and De-seize, WD40 a bit of time. A pipe spanner used carefully saves fingers.

As for the rest, I think the Dealer was a bit picky, the replacement items don't cost that much "Trade".

 

[digga]

I think you may get lucky with the exhaust flap

As for the rest

Fork Seal - wear and tear

Leaking front master cylinder - maybe a seal rebuild kit or corrosion - wear and tear

Worn discs and pads - wear and tear

How come you didn't know the bike had these faults - no pre-ride checks??

If I was setting off for 200 miles, I'd have checked the bike more closely than you obviously haven't??

So you check your pads and disc's before a ride then?
never mind 200 miles or whatever - a ride is a ride.
never checked my disc's for wear before a ride

I suppose you could say that the pads and disc's wear as soon as they start being used ! worn don't necessarily mean f*cked

 

[Lord Snooty]

None of those are major issues - of course the rear disk is worn that is what happens when the brakes are used, they always say that, the question is - is it out of tolerance deemed safe for use? If not then carry on. Brake pads - how worn are they? Easy to replace yourself. The other issues could easily be sorted by a decent independent and you could source the parts yourself from Sherlocks or a similar supplier to keep the costs down.

 

[batman1]

What year is your bike fella?

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

So you check your pads and disc's before a ride then?
never mind 200 miles or whatever - a ride is a ride.
never checked my disc's for wear before a ride

I suppose you could say that the pads and disc's wear as soon as they start being used ! worn don't necessarily mean f*cked

All the time, torch down the calipers and run your fingers over the disc faces & check the bolts are tight

Just replaced front and rear wheel bearings in my bike tonight, slight play detected when I washed it on Monday

Only did them 3-4 months ago, gone for (food standard) stainless bearings this time - all bearings and seals were only £40 from a specialist in town

Whilst I was doing it, checked the pads (new before last weekend) and discs too - just to make all was seated properly and tight

Also checked forks etc

Doesn't take much time & effort, but on 2 wheels ................checking stuff may save your life

 

[casbar]

The exhaust valve is not covered by warranty. But mine on my RT was replaced by BMW when the bike was over two years old out of good will. The BMW fix is new headers, which is £1200. You maybe able to free it, but I couldn't free mine when I was waiting for their decision

 

[MaDPRoFF]

Surprised they not offer less for yours, to do a deal, and would have thought some of the work would be under warranty on a 16k milage bike, assuming they needed to do the recall work on forks. Quite frankly you would not expect these items to need replacing after 16k miles

 

[snaponphil]

I think they did you a favour in hindsight, can’t believe they would be so picky, maybe decided condition wasn’t perfect for them, as for the brake pads & discs, as someone stated previous worn isn’t necessarily F****ed, wouldn’t panic too much but have a good look over bike.

 

[Santa-2512]

Bit surprised -

FSH & Ext Warranty, and there quibbling -

Its not as if it''s going to bust them financially to do the work themselves.

Parts will be trade, and labour is wooden dollars

They make on the K, and offset the loss on the R.
Which then becomes the make on the R, and the offset on the xx next time around.

Pads Consumable - fair enough £20 odd trade and 15 - 30 mins labour to fit
Fork seal Not a consumable per see but they do wear - £40 trade & 60 - 120 mins to fit
Brake disk Consumable but past limit at 16K!! i'm looking at replacement on the car at 114K
£150 for the disk and 2 hrs labour

Exhaust flap Not a consumable, but again failed at 16K - that must be where the deal breaker is?

How do they know it has failed? if its had FSH, & nothing picked up at your last service xx miles ago

How many SH R's on the forecourt?? maybe a polite way to push you off?

 

[Ash700]

Apart from the dealer not trying to agree to some sort of deal, especially after you’ve ridden all that way, the fact that the ‘amazing BMW motorcycle’ has a list of defects after only 16k miles is utterly diabolical. When I hear about things like this it makes me want to sell mine - and there’s nothing wrong with mine! Couldn’t blame you if you went for a KTM.

 

[Spareparts]

Apart from the dealer not trying to agree to some sort of deal, especially after you’ve ridden all that way, the fact that the ‘amazing BMW motorcycle’ has a list of defects after only 16k miles is utterly diabolical. When I hear about things like this it makes me want to sell mine - and there’s nothing wrong with mine! Couldn’t blame you if you went for a KTM.

How are worn brake pads/discs or fork seals = defects after 16,000 miles? Those are normal wear'n'tear items, and if the OP has never replaced/serviced them, then it's entirely reasonable for them to be worn and needing replacing. This would be true for ANY motorbike from ANY brand.

Some owners need to have a reality check if they think a vehicle that is used over 16,000 miles will not have consumables that need replacing.

 

[brummy bloke]

non of those issues are major,I recon you may have dodged a bullet there,how many issues would you have found on their bike if you subjected it to jonny boxers pre ride mot test?

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Sounds like they just did not want the bike with the R1200GS been so common now dealers will only want the best out there used will be a competitive market, if yours is corroded it could be why they found lots of other issues and were not willing to take it in.

 

[DC]

Doesn’t add up to me...had you not done the deal, sorted the figures and paperwork beforehand,with the dealer seeing your bike ? I find it unusual that a dealer would inspect your machine before a handover ! In my mind the deale has had a better offer for the 1300r and is fobbing you off. I bet if you return in a few days it will have been sold !

 

[Nutty]

Sounds like you’ve had a lucky escape there, the dealer sounds like an arse.