Sounds like the GS has been badly neglected. That’s a lot of issues!
That didn’t go terribly well!
- Thread starter Cardinal
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Explain.
How does neglect cause the exhaust valve to fail, or the master cylinder for that? Come to that the fork seals too?
Pads and discs are consumables and do wear - without neglect.
How does neglect cause the exhaust valve to fail, or the master cylinder for that? Come to that the fork seals too?
Pads and discs are consumables and do wear - without neglect.
Whoa..............
He may have a lot of used GS/GSA's going into the winter and the 'closed' season
This particular bike may have had a host of 'issues', most serious being the flap that may not have been covered by goodwill or extended warranty and this bike may have had a degree of corrosion making it hard to sell
They could have traded it on, perhaps they had another buyer for the the 1300R already?
More sides to the story perhaps
Fork seals and master cylinder seals are a consumable - they bloody wear out
A piece of dirt/dead fly could have wrecked a fork seal - not a warranty claim
How is the exhaust valve / flap not a warranty issue ?
It beggars belief that these things are renowned for failure and yet become the consumers problem when they do and at 16000 miles it just should not happen
It beggars belief that these things are renowned for failure and yet become the consumers problem when they do and at 16000 miles it just should not happen
PhilBoy
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If you a can't free the exhaust valve new headers without valve are the way to go. No more problems and more responsive bike.
But the dealer was quite happy to buy yet another GS, so why offer to buy it if he didn’t really want it?
The issues could be fixed by the dealer, easily, so why not just offer a lower trade in value to reflect the unexpected costs?
Unless the OP incorrectly described the condition of his bike when negotiating the deal over the phone, and the bike really is a dog?
ive got a Brand new full Exhaust (GS) for half that
I’ve got one for £599 in the garage!
At 16000 miles I'd be questioning the dealers findings. I'd say he was talking the bike down to get more moneyout of you. You were right to walk away. JJH
Unless the OP incorrectly described the condition of his bike when negotiating the deal over the phone, and the bike really is a dog?
Perhaps when he saw it - it was so bad that he didn't want it
No law against not taking a p/ex
I have walked away from more used bikes than I have bought
Some owners have unrealistic expectations of their used bikes
Mains and big ends wear out too, but I wouldn't consider them consumables.
His bikes done 16,000 miles FFS.
As fork seals are covered by the extended warranty (unless the forks are pitted) as is the master cylinder (as a whole), I don't think BMW consider them to be consumables either.
The T&C's say:
Suspension
Failure of the following parts: Telelever ball joints, telescopic forks (excluding pitting) and seals. Front and rear shock absorber units (up to 30,000 miles only).
Braking system
Failure of the following parts: brake callipers, ABS control unit, master cylinders and ABS hydraulic pump unit. (Seized callipers due to corrosion are not covered).
Deleted account Charles Martel
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It's not just the 16,000 miles ... Cardinal hasn't answered the question "what year is it ?" I think that's related to the warranty/goodwill considerations.
Deleted account Charles Martel
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FFS! How utterly ridiculous. Do you expect the dealer to know how far you've travelled when you walk through the glass door?
Maybe we should all book our bikes for services at dealers at the "other" end of the country,in the hope of getting a tremendous discount?
My bike is a Sept 2013 TE. I’ve no issues with the dealers position as neither he nor I knew of the issues beyond corrosion on the cylinder heads.
The deal was for a straight swap for the K at £8,140 which is about right as ‘book’ value for mine is £7,400 as a part ex.
The salesman told me that trade dealers were bidding £6,800 and as such it needed to be a bike they could retail themselves. Given the cost of correction to the point where it met BMW approved used standard on resale there wouldn’t be enough in it for them to do the deal.
I hadn’t checked the pads and it’s nearly 5k miles since the last service and change so I guess I’m not surprised they are worn.
Haven’t managed to get through to my local dealer about the warranty issues as yet - I’ll update you when I do!
If the issues are covered under warranty then I’m happy. After reflecting overnight I won’t be going back for the K. I love the GS but just feel the need for more power, better brakes and smoother running - any ideas?
The deal was for a straight swap for the K at £8,140 which is about right as ‘book’ value for mine is £7,400 as a part ex.
The salesman told me that trade dealers were bidding £6,800 and as such it needed to be a bike they could retail themselves. Given the cost of correction to the point where it met BMW approved used standard on resale there wouldn’t be enough in it for them to do the deal.
I hadn’t checked the pads and it’s nearly 5k miles since the last service and change so I guess I’m not surprised they are worn.
Haven’t managed to get through to my local dealer about the warranty issues as yet - I’ll update you when I do!
If the issues are covered under warranty then I’m happy. After reflecting overnight I won’t be going back for the K. I love the GS but just feel the need for more power, better brakes and smoother running - any ideas?
Deleted account Charles Martel
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I think maybe 4 years is stretching "bmw goodwill" a tad.
Others will post their experiences.
As you say, "My bike is a Sept 2013 TE. I’ve no issues with the dealers position as neither he nor I knew of the issues beyond corrosion on the cylinder heads."
You can always try. (best of luck) , they (in my experience) are far better than KTM and Triumph dealers for these things ....
but yours is, arguably, an old bike (in warranty terms)
Others will post their experiences.
As you say, "My bike is a Sept 2013 TE. I’ve no issues with the dealers position as neither he nor I knew of the issues beyond corrosion on the cylinder heads."
You can always try. (best of luck) , they (in my experience) are far better than KTM and Triumph dealers for these things ....
but yours is, arguably, an old bike (in warranty terms)
Deleted account Charles Martel
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K1600. expensive but flawless on the road
MaDPRoFF
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if you give a number plate all dealers will have bike History.
My bet is the bike was described, and the dealer had a prospecive sale based on the bike - & a nice profit to boot
When they saw the bike , the profit margin they had was either so small or non exsistant they declined
Now to me a profit is a profit, whether it's £100 or £1000
Dealers must either be flush with SH bikes, or so much in the black they can afford to turn down a sale
When they saw the bike , the profit margin they had was either so small or non exsistant they declined
Now to me a profit is a profit, whether it's £100 or £1000
Dealers must either be flush with SH bikes, or so much in the black they can afford to turn down a sale
