"The big unknown"

I have read the story several times but can't help thinking they got it wrong. She thought she had enough time but admitted the visibility was poor. At the end of the day she made a judgement, maybe based on saving time who knows, but her actions took this mans life. That in my book was dangerous.
Either way it won't bring him back and she has to live with it for the rest of her life.
 
“I saw a single light on a sweeping bend. I have pulled out of that gate on so many mornings, I judged that I had more than enough time to exit safely.”
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So, she saw the light coming but pulled out into the road anyway.

How many times, fortunately without incident, has that happened to any of us either on the bike or in the car? I'm not quite sure if it's bad judgement, ignorance, arrogance or impatience but it is dangerous and happens all to often in this country.

For that reason she is, in my eyes, guilty of causing death by dangerous driving.
 
Aidan1150 said:
So, she saw the light coming but pulled out into the road anyway.

How many times, fortunately without incident, has that happened to any of us either on the bike or in the car? I'm not quite sure if it's bad judgement, ignorance, arrogance or impatience but it is dangerous and happens all to often in this country.

For that reason she is, in my eyes, guilty of causing death by dangerous driving.
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+1 :thumb
 
I agree, Joe.
It was a biker, on a powerful bike, who had been in another bad accident not too long before.... translation....he was going too fast.
 
It was foggy, extremely dark and raining
Ms Clancy had travelled just over 10 metres over 2.4 to 2.6 seconds across the road when the collision occurred.

At 80 kmph, he would have travelled 55 metres in 2.5 seconds.
At 100 kmph, he would have travelled 70 metres in 2.5 seconds.
At 120 kmph, he would have travelled 83 metres in 2.5 seconds.

Even if you saw something coming on a rural road 100 metres away, most people wouldn't dream of pulling out on a dry day, never mind a wet one.
 
A disgraceful decision

she saw the headlight and made a judgement call to pull out, but in her own words

"You couldn’t see anything in the distance,” she said. “It was foggy, extremely dark and raining.”

So any headlight that she saw could not have been any distance away.

“I saw a single light on a sweeping bend. I have pulled out of that gate on so many mornings, I judged that I had more than enough time to exit safely.”

This was a clear case of driving without due care and attention and dangerous driving.

It would appear that the defense muddied the water by bringing the victim's past into the equation and shifted the blame to the biker.

Let us consider what would have happened if any one of us were stopped and arrested by a guard for riding at significantly over the speed limit on an empty road on a bright and dry day. I would suggest that we would be convicted of dangerous driving solely on the basis that our speed might have caused an accident.
 
THE MESSAGE . .

. . drive out of an intersection, hit a motorcyclist & kill him, wot the hell, it was only a motorcyclist, they're only in the way . .
 
Aidan1150 said:
So, she saw the light coming but pulled out into the road anyway.

How many times, fortunately without incident, has that happened to any of us either on the bike or in the car? I'm not quite sure if it's bad judgement, ignorance, arrogance or impatience but it is dangerous and happens all to often in this country.

For that reason she is, in my eyes, guilty of causing death by dangerous driving.
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+1 :thumb2
 
Comfy Old Boots said:
it happens to me about 3 times a day.
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yep anytime on bike this is a routine problem.

happens in car too, people half pull out onto road, then stop, look and move off. all should be shot in my mind.

funny, change everything from motorbike to cyclist and they would have just blamed her straight out.

funny how eyes law and public see cyclist as always innocent and motorbike as hooligans and have death wish
 
total joke way just go on about how he already had a crash. jeasus i am sure she had load sof near misses etc in the car so why not drag them up.

fookin joke this country. now i dont believe she intended any harm, just getting off totally free means no punishment for unsafe driving, if was a biker than was caught he be in serious shite
 
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john_aero said:
yep anytime on bike this is a routine problem.

happens in car too, people half pull out onto road, then stop, look and move off. all should be shot in my mind.

funny, change everything from motorbike to cyclist and they would have just blamed her straight out.

funny how eyes law and public see cyclist as always innocent and motorbike as hooligans and have death wish
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its strange but i onlystarted bringing my wife pillion on the bike in the last year or two and after the second long run she turned around to me and said
"why is every car driver trying to kill us" this included a car tring to drive across us while we were parked at traffic lights in the middle of a town
she was fit to hit the back of the car with her hand while it was still coming back on us

we dont need hi viz or the like we need people to respect bikes on the road nd give them some room and watch out for us

that woman saw 1 headlight coming and said i will chance it what harm can a bike to to me in my car :mad:
 
frank1200 said:
:mad:

its strange but i onlystarted bringing my wife pillion on the bike in the last year or two and after the second long run she turned around to me and said
"why is every car driver trying to kill us" this included a car tring to drive across us while we were parked at traffic lights in the middle of a town
she was fit to hit the back of the car with her hand while it was still coming back on us

we dont need hi viz or the like we need people to respect bikes on the road nd give them some room and watch out for us

that woman saw 1 headlight coming and said i will chance it what harm can a bike to to me in my car :mad:
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i had same as well last few week when started takign wife out. she cant get over how bad car drivers realy are.

i think irish bikers ar egetting carried away with Hi-vis, way more important issues to battle like mandatory abs etc. no point winning the hi-vis war but forced to buy expensive bike in few years.

i wouldnt expect the woman go jail, but getting off totally free is just wrong, this leads people that have accidents to say ah we dont know if he was going fats or not so its automaticaly bikers fault. 6 month driving ban or something or involuntary anslaughter
 
Seems the police considered there was enough evidence to charge the driver with causing death by dangerous driving.
They will have investigated all the factors involved to the best of their ability both those in favour of the accused and those against. In my humble experience where the balance does not very clearly tip against the suspect they don't put it before a court.

What a jury consider dangerous is unlikley to be the same as what experienced professionals ( the police ) consider dangerous.

Example - 1993 or thereabouts..

VERY thick fog on the M25 ( and most everywhere else ) - I am talking pea soup and not in patchy drifting banks. It was solid everywhere. So bad we were all retained on duty ( traffic police ) at the end of our shift ( 3pm to 11pm ) to deal with what was practically inevitable. In 14 years I was retained on shift due to weather conditions only twice so it wasn't done lightly.

Coach travelling at 70mph ( tachograph proved this ) at the piont of impact ploughs into the back of a stationary car at the scene of another accident ( a minor one ).

All 4 occupants killed instantly and in the following minutes prior to police arriving there were 2 further accidents at the same scene resulting in 3 more deaths.

I can say there was no area I drove on the motorways that night where you could safely drive at anything above 20mph and have a chance of stopping. It was the thickest fog I have ever seen.

A court decided the driver was not guilty of driving dangerously.

That quite simply, was bollocks.
 
Cant help but wonder what the courts decision might have been had Ms Clancy died in the collision and Mr Hayes survived.?
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