The new style indicators and their issues

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From reading people’s comments and seeing YouTube videos, I’ve been aware of the issues and concerns around the new style indicators; the amber running lights at the front and the red combined with an amber flash at the rear. Now that I’m an owner of the latest GSA I thought I’d run the bike, as it comes, and see what problems I encountered.

About 500 miles on the clock and, yesterday, it happened! I approached a straightforward, 4 junction, mini roundabout with good visibility across it and from all exits. I intended to go straight on and therefore gave no indication other than reduce speed a little. As I got nearer, a lady stopped at the give way to the roundabout, 90° to my left. I could see her look in my direction and waited at the give way. As I got closer to the roundabout, just about to enter it, she pulled out and entered the roundabout area. I had momentum and as there was no other traffic, at any of the other junctions, or indeed approaching the roundabout, I decided it’d be far easier to just move well over to my right and slip past the lady in her car. She looked quite surprised that I was going straight on and it was then clear that she stood on her brakes.

I continued on my intended path, at which point she then continued and turned left to head in the same direction as myself, behind me. The traffic ahead just happened to be gridlocked, so I took the opportunity to get off the bike and speak with her. I made it clear I was chilled and relaxed so not to frighten her. She wound down her window and asked her if she thought that I was going to turn left at the roundabout. She said “Yes, I thought I saw your indicator come on and as you slowed down slightly I thought you were going to start turning”. I sort of told her that it wasn’t entirely her fault. By the time I was as close to the roundabout, where I would have began turning, if I had been turning left, she wouldn’t have been able to see the indicator (also permanently on) on the right of the bike.

It could’ve been worse if she’d maybe been older and had slower reflexes, or just in a steaming hurry. I might not have had time/space to avoid a collision. As it was, on this occasion, it was just one of those ‘Mmmmm’ moments and everything was ok. I immediately starting thinking… is this what it’s going to be like going forwards (no pun intended). Only 500 miles on the clock and I’ve already encountered the same issue many other people have described as happening to them - because of the ‘daft indicators’! And that’s just the front end!

Has only else encountered this problem? Has anyone else swapped over their indicators? I know that Steve Able ‘A Bike Thing’ sells kits, and the chap (Carl) who has ‘Just The Way It Is’ (YouTube) talks about and demonstrates an installation of them.

I might have to take another look….
 
Lots of opinions on this. A couple of weeks ago, driving my car, I got closer to the R1250GS in front of me than I'd have normally liked. He was braking and indicating left - I was responding to his brake lights and slowing accordingly but was surprised that was slowing to such a great extent, because I hadn't noticed him indicating left. It was quite a bright sunny day.
 
Lots of opinions on this. A couple of weeks ago, driving my car, I got closer to the R1250GS in front of me than I'd have normally liked. He was braking and indicating left - I was responding to his brake lights and slowing accordingly but was surprised that was slowing to such a great extent, because I hadn't noticed him indicating left. It was quite a bright sunny day.
This is exactly one of the scenarios I thought of with regards to the rear light set up.
 
Agree with you 100% I went with the full Weiser Tech Indicator setup and have been very pleased with it. In addition using the GS911, I have set up the central Braking Light of my 2021 model 1250GS to be on all of the time with brightness set to be the same as that of the red Weiser Tech Indicators when in Marker Light mode.
 
Yeap, also on the full Weiser Tech indicator setup. Did it myself after watching Carl's excellent videos.
 
From reading people’s comments and seeing YouTube videos, I’ve been aware of the issues and concerns around the new style indicators; the amber running lights at the front and the red combined with an amber flash at the rear. Now that I’m an owner of the latest GSA I thought I’d run the bike, as it comes, and see what problems I encountered.

About 500 miles on the clock and, yesterday, it happened! I approached a straightforward, 4 junction, mini roundabout with good visibility across it and from all exits. I intended to go straight on and therefore gave no indication other than reduce speed a little. As I got nearer, a lady stopped at the give way to the roundabout, 90° to my left. I could see her look in my direction and waited at the give way. As I got closer to the roundabout, just about to enter it, she pulled out and entered the roundabout area. I had momentum and as there was no other traffic, at any of the other junctions, or indeed approaching the roundabout, I decided it’d be far easier to just move well over to my right and slip past the lady in her car. She looked quite surprised that I was going straight on and it was then clear that she stood on her brakes.

I continued on my intended path, at which point she then continued and turned left to head in the same direction as myself, behind me. The traffic ahead just happened to be gridlocked, so I took the opportunity to get off the bike and speak with her. I made it clear I was chilled and relaxed so not to frighten her. She wound down her window and asked her if she thought that I was going to turn left at the roundabout. She said “Yes, I thought I saw your indicator come on and as you slowed down slightly I thought you were going to start turning”. I sort of told her that it wasn’t entirely her fault. By the time I was as close to the roundabout, where I would have began turning, if I had been turning left, she wouldn’t have been able to see the indicator (also permanently on) on the right of the bike.

It could’ve been worse if she’d maybe been older and had slower reflexes, or just in a steaming hurry. I might not have had time/space to avoid a collision. As it was, on this occasion, it was just one of those ‘Mmmmm’ moments and everything was ok. I immediately starting thinking… is this what it’s going to be like going forwards (no pun intended). Only 500 miles on the clock and I’ve already encountered the same issue many other people have described as happening to them - because of the ‘daft indicators’! And that’s just the front end!

Has only else encountered this problem? Has anyone else swapped over their indicators? I know that Steve Able ‘A Bike Thing’ sells kits, and the chap (Carl) who has ‘Just The Way It Is’ (YouTube) talks about and demonstrates an installation of them.

I might have to take another look….
I have had lots of the same issues as you and many on here. I contacted bmw warranty and customer services asking if I could fit the weiser kit ( due to warranty) they said if a bmw dealership fitted them no problem. (Warranty ok) On asking a few dealerships would they fit them No was the answer only fit bmw parts. Looks like I will be looking to sell .
 
From reading people’s comments and seeing YouTube videos, I’ve been aware of the issues and concerns around the new style indicators; the amber running lights at the front and the red combined with an amber flash at the rear. Now that I’m an owner of the latest GSA I thought I’d run the bike, as it comes, and see what problems I encountered.

About 500 miles on the clock and, yesterday, it happened! I approached a straightforward, 4 junction, mini roundabout with good visibility across it and from all exits. I intended to go straight on and therefore gave no indication other than reduce speed a little. As I got nearer, a lady stopped at the give way to the roundabout, 90° to my left. I could see her look in my direction and waited at the give way. As I got closer to the roundabout, just about to enter it, she pulled out and entered the roundabout area. I had momentum and as there was no other traffic, at any of the other junctions, or indeed approaching the roundabout, I decided it’d be far easier to just move well over to my right and slip past the lady in her car. She looked quite surprised that I was going straight on and it was then clear that she stood on her brakes.

I continued on my intended path, at which point she then continued and turned left to head in the same direction as myself, behind me. The traffic ahead just happened to be gridlocked, so I took the opportunity to get off the bike and speak with her. I made it clear I was chilled and relaxed so not to frighten her. She wound down her window and asked her if she thought that I was going to turn left at the roundabout. She said “Yes, I thought I saw your indicator come on and as you slowed down slightly I thought you were going to start turning”. I sort of told her that it wasn’t entirely her fault. By the time I was as close to the roundabout, where I would have began turning, if I had been turning left, she wouldn’t have been able to see the indicator (also permanently on) on the right of the bike.

It could’ve been worse if she’d maybe been older and had slower reflexes, or just in a steaming hurry. I might not have had time/space to avoid a collision. As it was, on this occasion, it was just one of those ‘Mmmmm’ moments and everything was ok. I immediately starting thinking… is this what it’s going to be like going forwards (no pun intended). Only 500 miles on the clock and I’ve already encountered the same issue many other people have described as happening to them - because of the ‘daft indicators’! And that’s just the front end!

Has only else encountered this problem? Has anyone else swapped over their indicators? I know that Steve Able ‘A Bike Thing’ sells kits, and the chap (Carl) who has ‘Just The Way It Is’ (YouTube) talks about and demonstrates an installation of them.

I might have to take another look….
Check this thread about this issue https://www.ukgser.com/community/threads/disabling-drls-with-a-gs911.386860/
 
This echoes my opinion big time.

A couple of years ago we were in Spain. Two in the group had BMW bikes bone GS (before the dreaded linked indicators/brake lights) the other was a brand new 1250 GSA. The guy on the GS has pull over on the bridge and turned his hazard lights on whilst holding the brake. Clear as one would expect. The guy on the GSA was doing exactly same, I could not see his hazard warning lights until I was almost on top of him so to speak.

Combining the two lights into one much smaller light cluster compared to the original size of the tail/stop light, is a dumb idea IMHO.
 
Yeap, also on the full Weiser Tech indicator setup. Did it myself after watching Carl's excellent videos.
Glad that this system works for you, however. I’d be annoyed having to spend extra cash on the bike (to buy the Weiser) that previously was perfectly fine, but manufactured decided to f***k with it and as a result dick about with my safety and wallet.
 
Do these bikes have a rear (central) brake/rear light ? I followed two bikes with these indicators but couldn't see a brake/rear light.
 
You can reset most of these using a gs911 to standard now. You can turn of front running lamps .you can add rear running light to centre brake light and also turn brake lights in the indicators off or change the brightness to your liking.
 
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If the lights were a safety issue, surely there would be a recall. I’m assuming they meet the road safety standard for the UK and BMW would wave this letter around. However, if an owner is not happy with the set up, they should be allowed to go into the dealers and have them changed as per the post above free of charge.
 
I’m not pleased about having to spend money to replace the OEM indicators. But having experienced a situation with only 500 miles on the clock, I’ve just ordered the Weiser Extreme Evo LED bundle. I did consider the dongle option that turns off the ‘permanently on’ amber illumination at the front, and also enables the rears to flash independently, as indicators, but it looks as though this is going to be achievable, in the near future, at low cost, by coding. At least the Extreme Evo bundle provides physically bigger and brighter indicator units with the additional white DRLs at the front, but even with the 10% discount that is available via the ‘Just The Way It Is’ YouTube channel, I still think that they are overpriced.

Motorcycling is dangerous enough, we already ride around thinking that other road users may just pull out in front of us, but we really don’t need to be adding to that risk with potentially confusing, small amber lights on the front of our bikes. The more you ride, the greater the odds… it just becomes a numbers game and some of us will end up being paranoid at the approach to every junction and roundabout. I’ve been riding motorcycles for over 45yrs (with notable qualifications) and never before have I had anyone pull out in front of me because they thought I was indicating left! Sure, I’ve had them pull out for other reasons, but in today’s world where visibility is a safety feature, I’d rather just be ‘seen’ than be causing any potential confusion, with possible consequences. If I hadn’t had the car pull out in front of me, I wouldn’t have ordered replacement indicators. But how long would it have been before someone did, and what might have been the outcome? Who knows? Second guessing, but it’s sensible.
 
The truth is ‘we are invisible’ anyway. How many times has a car pulled out in front of you? I’ve often wondered how the hell someone doesn’t see a big GSA all lights on, stripey helmet, day glo flashes on a jacket....but still they pull out. And that’s without the new running light indicators.

I have the running lights on D’WFR and driver behaviour is just the same.
 
Being visible wasn’t the problem. As I explained, the driver ‘did’ see me. In a polite conversation with her a minute later, she stated that she thought I’d indicated left and was going to turn off the exit before her, so she pulled out.
 
So the car driver could not differentiate between a flashing orange indicator and one permanently illuminated (on both sides of the bike,too)?
There’s no solution to dim witted fucktards who don’t take the time to look properly..
 
Lots of opinions on this. A couple of weeks ago, driving my car, I got closer to the R1250GS in front of me than I'd have normally liked. He was braking and indicating left - I was responding to his brake lights and slowing accordingly but was surprised that was slowing to such a great extent, because I hadn't noticed him indicating left. It was quite a bright sunny day.
My experience is exactly the same. I have enough to be focusing on at the approach to every junction without squinting at the GSA in front to see if he is indicating whilst braking.

I don't like riding behind two bikes in our touring group due to their indicators being DRL's, I think its a stupid idea which has put me off trading in for a newer GSA. I much prefer the rear end lighting setup on my 2019 bike.
 
So the car driver could not differentiate between a flashing orange indicator and one permanently illuminated (on both sides of the bike,too)?
There’s no solution to dim witted fucktards who don’t take the time to look properly..
The quick glance was enough to see me but the amber light led to an assumption being made. She saw me, but had she not seen the amber light and made that assumption, she wouldn’t have pulled out. She said so!

The way I approached her was not in a hostile fashion… it was as if I was conducting a survey… I was genuinely interested in what she thought. It’d obviously be more useful to others if I could approach and survey 100 people in the same way, but I’m not going to wait for that to happen.

There is an abundance of dim witted fucktards on the roads, but I don’t want to give their ‘poor driver’ brains anything else to have to consider.
 
There is an abundance of dim witted fucktards on the roads, but I don’t want to give their ‘poor driver’ brains anything else to have to consider.
You can include me in that. :D
 
I've got to say that yesterday, I came up to a roundabout in our local town in the car. As I came up to the give-way line, look to the right and the lead vehicle approaching the roundabout is a GSA with the new style, always on indicator/running lights. About 80% of traffic turns into the road I was waiting to come out of and I very nearly pulled onto the roundabout in front of it and just stopped myself in time. First time that's happened but it just shows you that in the heat of the moment and at a quick glance, it's possible to make a mistake. So yes, I don't think they're a safer improvement.
 


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