The Next Best Bike in The World Ever......Thread :-)
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Cheapest 1190 on Bike Trader is £7,000, in fact there are two at that price, both 2013, one with 23k and one with 30k = at 4 years old, assuming the dealer has about £1k on top of px price the trade in would have been £6k at 4 years old.
2014's are up at £9k in dealers so I would imagine a 2 year old one with 25k is likely to be worth at least £7k....
...but how much better would a BMW really be, the KTM comes fully spec'd up with all the Electronics, Cruise, Cornering ABS / TC, electronically adjustable semi-active suspension etc. I am guessing a GS of similar spec will be a little bit more expensive and not worth all that much more come px time....
...plus when you're looking at losing at least £3k a year regardless of the bike you choose and into account fuel / tyres / servicing etc the cost of owning either bike must be close to £5,000 a year to finance and maintain. Another @£400 - £800 of depreciation on the KTM is peanuts when looked at in the bigger scheme of things..
The 9k service interval of the KTM might lower the gap further (2 services in 25k Vs 4 services with the GS) my local KTM dealer is also a whopping £30 an hour cheaper of labour than my BMW dealer was 5 years ago.
If you want cheap do what I did last time, get a ex-demo / pre-reg Super Tenere, I paid £9400 for mine and traded it in for £6k four years later, that pisses all over the BMW's depreciation - and my 12 year old V-Strom is worth about the same as I paid for it 4 years ago, perhaps you want one of those?
So assuming you prefer the KTM you are looking at about £6 a week extra / 5% more to have the bike you want, I certainly would not pay 95% of the cost of the bike I want, to have a bike I do not want.
2014's are up at £9k in dealers so I would imagine a 2 year old one with 25k is likely to be worth at least £7k....
...but how much better would a BMW really be, the KTM comes fully spec'd up with all the Electronics, Cruise, Cornering ABS / TC, electronically adjustable semi-active suspension etc. I am guessing a GS of similar spec will be a little bit more expensive and not worth all that much more come px time....
...plus when you're looking at losing at least £3k a year regardless of the bike you choose and into account fuel / tyres / servicing etc the cost of owning either bike must be close to £5,000 a year to finance and maintain. Another @£400 - £800 of depreciation on the KTM is peanuts when looked at in the bigger scheme of things..
The 9k service interval of the KTM might lower the gap further (2 services in 25k Vs 4 services with the GS) my local KTM dealer is also a whopping £30 an hour cheaper of labour than my BMW dealer was 5 years ago.
If you want cheap do what I did last time, get a ex-demo / pre-reg Super Tenere, I paid £9400 for mine and traded it in for £6k four years later, that pisses all over the BMW's depreciation - and my 12 year old V-Strom is worth about the same as I paid for it 4 years ago, perhaps you want one of those?
So assuming you prefer the KTM you are looking at about £6 a week extra / 5% more to have the bike you want, I certainly would not pay 95% of the cost of the bike I want, to have a bike I do not want.
Davy F
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Many moons ago, I thought I'd trade my two year old, 12k miles immaculate (it was a credit to me 
) 12GS in for a new F800GS. It cost me £10,500 new and the dealer offered me £5k for it. So we'll say he offered 49%.
Zoom forward to my KTM 1190, bought new for £14k and traded in to a non KTM dealer at just under two years old with similar miles and I got £9k for it. I'm guessing that's around 65% of the value.
BMW residuals.
) 12GS in for a new F800GS. It cost me £10,500 new and the dealer offered me £5k for it. So we'll say he offered 49%.Zoom forward to my KTM 1190, bought new for £14k and traded in to a non KTM dealer at just under two years old with similar miles and I got £9k for it. I'm guessing that's around 65% of the value.
BMW residuals.
All bikes will lose money, whether bought new or secondhand. £2-£3k a year seems to be the norm, be it a BMW or KTM. Factor this in whenever buying a new bike, and there won't be any nasty surprises later.
Not all bikes lose money Nutty. Buy a used bike wisely and you can run it a year or two & get back what you payed. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.
2-3k a year depreciation on anything would make me weep, wether it's expected or not.
2-3k a year depreciation on anything would make me weep, wether it's expected or not.
I have a July 2012 ZZR 1400 owned from new and paid £11,250 ,I got offered £7,000 for it yesterday .Its only done 11,500 miles and is mint but just over £4,000 dep in 4 and a half years who said jap bikes lose money more than BMW's.
I bet my Sept 2015 GS has lost more than that already !
I bet my Sept 2015 GS has lost more than that already !
My megamoto had gone up by 40% in value when I sold it.
Most new bikes will lose money though.
Old bikes do much better, we bought a 2005 650 V-Strom for £2k as the Mrs first bike about 4 years ago with 28k on the clock, it is now my 2nd bike (commuter / run-around) and has 42k on the clock, looking at Bike Trader and E-Bay I would most likely get our money back. Her 2nd bike is a rather nice 2008 TDM900 we picked up for £2250 3 years ago - I reckon we would get £2500+ for it all day long if we sold it tomorrow.
My Super Tenere was 6 months old with 150 miles on it, I lost £4k in 4 years, it probably won't drop much more from now on, the key to not losing money is buying bikes that have already done most of their depreciating, if your gonna choose to buy a new bike every 2-3 years and insist on the latest and greatest model the second it comes out expect to lose £3k a year, shrewd buying on not so popular models / Ex-Demo's / year end sell-offs / old stock (last years model / colours) etc and you can probably reduce that figure by about 25% - 50%.
My (bought new) 2008 ZZR1400 lost £2600 on in 2 1/2 years.
The 2008 GS I bought in 2010 (bang on 2 years old) I lost £3.5k on in 18 months - Per annum probably the worst I have ever done on any bike, new or used and I cannot see me doing any worse on the KTM.
And don't forget the Farkling, not hard to throw a couple of grand of extra's onto a bike - these tend to sell on at about 50% of new price on average - but age makes little difference so I just assume a 50% loss the second I buy something to put on the bike, or 100% if it is something that cannot later be removed (or won't be worth the hassle)
My Super Tenere was 6 months old with 150 miles on it, I lost £4k in 4 years, it probably won't drop much more from now on, the key to not losing money is buying bikes that have already done most of their depreciating, if your gonna choose to buy a new bike every 2-3 years and insist on the latest and greatest model the second it comes out expect to lose £3k a year, shrewd buying on not so popular models / Ex-Demo's / year end sell-offs / old stock (last years model / colours) etc and you can probably reduce that figure by about 25% - 50%.
My (bought new) 2008 ZZR1400 lost £2600 on in 2 1/2 years.
The 2008 GS I bought in 2010 (bang on 2 years old) I lost £3.5k on in 18 months - Per annum probably the worst I have ever done on any bike, new or used and I cannot see me doing any worse on the KTM.
And don't forget the Farkling, not hard to throw a couple of grand of extra's onto a bike - these tend to sell on at about 50% of new price on average - but age makes little difference so I just assume a 50% loss the second I buy something to put on the bike, or 100% if it is something that cannot later be removed (or won't be worth the hassle)
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I lost under £2k in just over 10 years on a ZX10R I bought new in 2005 and to be honest I wish I hadn't sold it.
My Le Mans is worth 4 times what i paid for it, but is a shit ride compared to my KTM that I've potentially lost a binful on.
Swings/Roundabouts.
Swings/Roundabouts.
Feck worrying about depreciations if you can afford to rent or buy just do it, the enjoyment you get is far better than worrying about what it's worth @ 25k plus you never no how long you have left on this planet.
Shite.
I have had as much or more enjoyment from sub 1k shitters than more expensive stuff
So why did you buy the more expensive stuff then?
I don't care what it costs or what it will be worth in a few years - this bike is bloody brilliant.
I put 450 miles on over the weekend across a variety of roads (many quite poorly surfaced and covered in mud / manure etc) and some of it in the rain.
I have not enjoyed myself on a bike that much is probably 6 or 7 years.
It is a superb do-it-all bike; agile handling, sophisticated, comfortable, safe, and faster than you would ever need on the road (and I'm still running it in!).
I'm sure it will cross continents, take some light off-roading, and embarrass a lot of sports bikes in the right hands.
Don't test ride one unless you are prepared to buy it and, if you are, do it quickly as I reckon demand will outstrip supply by some margin.
P.S. I fully expect it to completely trounce the GS and Multistrada etc in a group test very soon...
I put 450 miles on over the weekend across a variety of roads (many quite poorly surfaced and covered in mud / manure etc) and some of it in the rain.
I have not enjoyed myself on a bike that much is probably 6 or 7 years.
It is a superb do-it-all bike; agile handling, sophisticated, comfortable, safe, and faster than you would ever need on the road (and I'm still running it in!).
I'm sure it will cross continents, take some light off-roading, and embarrass a lot of sports bikes in the right hands.
Don't test ride one unless you are prepared to buy it and, if you are, do it quickly as I reckon demand will outstrip supply by some margin.
P.S. I fully expect it to completely trounce the GS and Multistrada etc in a group test very soon...
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I rode a SuperDuke 1290 R and GT then an 1190 to see what I thought about the adventure ergonomics and handling.
Then I took a leap of faith and ordered an S without actually riding one - and I'm chuffed to bits that I did 'cos I got in before the rush
I didn't take many - too busy having fun.
Here's the 3 I have - one before leaving home, one when I got to the Peak District and one on the way home yesterday...
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