The Next Best Bike in The World Ever......Thread :-)

yep I test rode an XR, 17my, Not for me too vibey. seemed small as well. twins all the way for me. no real tech on an XR either. The 1290 is one of the best bikes i have ever risen in my 36 years of bikes.

Just love it.
 
Here you go. Somewhat short of the 125 I remember. BMW claim 125bhp, after Hiltop 115bhp. But that's 115 at the back wheel, which I seem to remember Geoff saying would be circa 125 at the crank, ish. Happy to be corrected as I'm no expert. That may be where I got the 125 from.

The 1290 Ktm claim is 160, presumably at the crank. If someone can work that out as a back wheel figure I guess that's THE stat to compare to what you've got. Either way I reckon you should get your fuel pump changed under warranty :augie

does that GSA graph say 89 ft/ib of torque? thats a really healthy figure, id sacrifice HP for that, when i hilltopped my GS from new mine did 113 RWHP and Geoff said it was low as most were around 118-123 but this was due to being new out of the crate,
 
does that GSA graph say 89 ft/ib of torque? thats a really healthy figure, id sacrifice HP for that, when i hilltopped my GS from new mine did 113 RWHP and Geoff said it was low as most were around 118-123 but this was due to being new out of the crate,

I'd be interested to know what it puts out now to be honest. I had it mapped straight after the first service, Akra end can. It will have been tight I imagine. Be interesting to see how the 1290 loosens up with some miles too.
 
So from my perspective ...

The joy of my domestic biking for me is not ... NOT .... (!) 'how fast can I go'. Been there, done that as we all have, and I don't 'need' that sort of buzz anymore. (Besides which I can still get that from work :P).

I get my rocks off on quick back road / country lane riding that is technically spot on. Now that might be a balls out thrash with a couple of mates (yep ... lairy but still technically very well done) or it could be what I'd call 'corporate' riding that is smooth, pacey and right place, right speed right gear .... all that stuff. I enjoy all that. I mentally pump the air when I work something out, maybe do a Gary Kasparov chess move overtake on a couple of cars in front and combine all that with a quirky bend in the road or whatever ... You get the gist.

What sort of a bike do I want to do all that with?

I want it to be quick, smooth, good low down pick up and grunt, good engine braking, and above all (and this is why I bleated on like a scratched record about the fucking SHIT gearbox in the '13 - 16 GS's) I want beautiful modulation between full* gas, off gas, (maybe brake) take a gear .... and then POW ...... crack open the throttle and pour on the power.
When it's like that, that man and machine working beautifully together, it's better than sex :D

So the Asterisk .. *

You know, I can't remember the last time on the 1190 or the 1290 that I had the throttle on the throttle stop waiting for the engine to 'catch me up'.

Last week I spent a few hours on a VFR - nice enough bike (very good fun actually) but I was regularly on the stop waiting for it to get up there. The same afternoon I was also out on a R1200S. Again, nice bike (2017 gearbox good !!) and again, on the throttle stop waiting for it to catch up. Same with my marked RT at work.

Is there ever a time on the 1290 that I'm absolutely pinned? Meh ... not really. I could do it on a motorway slip joining the motorway or those easy straight A roads but ... :nenau ... just going to square my tyres off for nothing.

So on those quick country lanes (so we're sort of talking 90 mph and thats feckin quick for the environment) do I need 160 BHP, or more relevantly, will I use 'peak power'? Probably not. So why not down size? Why buy a 160 BHP bike? And the answer to that is that big power bikes .... wrong .... big power twins .... give you fantastic midrange grunt - exactly where you want it.

So why Hilltop it??

It's back to that modulation thing and harmony! Crisp, efficient, surgeons scalpel like fuelling makes that 250 rev difference on that matched down change .... perfect. That's the time your imaginary Pillion wouldn't have even known you've just come down a gear.
Ever hold the gas on at about 1/3 full throttle .. perfectly still ... don't move it ... slide the clutch in ... take two gears ... slide the clutch back out ... it's taken three or four seconds and in that time you've just lost enough speed to go from 5th to 3rd absolutely seamlessly?? The roundabouts empty and you pour on the throttle and the front wheel gets all light as you come out.
Yep .... better than sex again!
What about those wet greasy off camber roundabouts (in France!! all of them ..!) where you want to pick up a thimble full of gas and get on the drive. (I remember having a works FJR - cable throttle - feck me that was a pig to pick up mid corner smoothly - a real snatch in the gas just where you want it .. ). Filtering through traffic, full lock U turns with a pillion .... Take your pick, the list is endless.


150 BHP ? 160? 140? 130? They're just numbers. It means fuck all unless you're a sad fuck that needs to pin it on the easy stuff !

I couldn't give a monkeys what my Peak power result is. What I do want (and what Ive got) is a bike, that is silky smooth, fucking quick, has the most beautiful gear box, has perfect fuelling and is my perfect partner in crime for being pretty naughty but still right place, right speed, right gear .... and Ohhhhhhhhhh ..... you beauty ...... that touch there was just sublime ....


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So my mates God bless em love their GS/A's. They eventual decided to try the 1290 S and this is the result.

"the engine was gruff, getting in and out of gear was crap worse than a bmv, clutch seemed to have a snag in its.? couldn'd get a neutral easy, really hot from both sides of the seat from the engine. Too far foreword bars but would be better with risers. Suspension was a bit hard even with different modes. I preferred the XR over this even with its faults no the best bike is a GS/GSA sorry imho"

I've never heard anything like this apart from the neutral thing so what's your experience?


From the dark side this was sent
 
So my mates God bless em love their GS/A's. They eventual decided to try the 1290 S and this is the result.

"the engine was gruff, getting in and out of gear was crap worse than a bmv, clutch seemed to have a snag in its.? couldn'd get a neutral easy, really hot from both sides of the seat from the engine. Too far foreword bars but would be better with risers. Suspension was a bit hard even with different modes. I preferred the XR over this even with its faults no the best bike is a GS/GSA sorry imho"

I've never heard anything like this apart from the neutral thing so what's your experience?


From the dark side this was sent


They know fek all and can't ride for shit.....:aidan
 
I certainly don't get the gruff engine and gearbox bit ... my motor is super smooth (rolling out of some junctions in 3rd) and the gearbox is just as sweet as you can get ....
 
My gearbox is the smoothest of any bike I have ever owned. Power delivery is silky smooth.

Twats
 
Yup,utter GS-riding cockwombles.

I've put over 3000 miles on my 1290R,and it's the best gearbox I've ever had on any bike,end of.

How any fat tosser can say it's worse than a GS box be fucking idiot or be Engineer !
 
The only thing I'd agree with is the need for bar risers, or rotating the handlebars. There's a bit of warmth under the seat, but who doesn't like a warm arse?:D
 
The only thing I'd agree with is the need for bar risers, or rotating the handlebars. There's a bit of warmth under the seat, but who doesn't like a warm arse?:D

I don't feel any need for bar risers on my R !!

I fitted them on my 950 Super Enduro and on my Africa Twin as both gave me a bit of ache between the shoulder blades as standard.

I thought I would be doing the same with the 1290 but it's fine as standard.And the 2 piece Ergo seat I have sits you higher than standard.
 
Love the bar position on my 1190. I just used the option to rotate the mounts so they are further forward than standard. Perfect.
 
That's an issue on the 1190 which was rectified and not present on the 1290.

Only on the SAT I think, as it has the insulated back header pipe. The S and R 1290's still have an uninsulated pipe AFAIK?

I've pretty much eliminated the heat on my 1190 with Wings side panels and extra thick heat reflective foil over the top of the frame (as well as stuck to the seat base). Stuck in hot summer traffic it's still noticeable but bearable, rest of the time I don't notice it.

Andres
 
Only on the SAT I think, as it has the insulated back header pipe. The S and R 1290's still have an uninsulated pipe AFAIK?

Andres

Cannot understand why they have not used the insulated jacket on the 1290 S / R the GT has this and it makes a huge difference especially compared to the 1050 I use, legs get noticeable hot in traffic.
 
I've got to agree, the heat from the rear cylinder is very uncomfortable when at a standstill, I've deliberately not tried to hold the heat in as the rear shock and ecu under the seat get extremely hot so other than the foil stuck under the seat and the 1290 SA frame panels I've left it standard. The coated rear manifold should be fitted to all new bikes as standard.
At the moment I'm not going to swap for the 1290R until I've ridden the 1090R, I'm still fancying something lighter and may still wait for the new 800 twin.
 
I would think Arsey's and Giles bikes will not suffer heat issues especially now they have been mapped and the rear cylinder is no longer running lean.
 
I did notice that after the decat it didn't get so hot. I guess if you think of the cat as a bit of a porous blockage then it's going to sort of back the heat up a bit. Get rid of that and it all flows out un-hindered ..


*edit ... we went to Dent last weekend, and whilst the weather wasn't mega hot, we did have to filter for about an hour and a half on the M6 :blast

I'd forgotten all about the heat issues and there was certainly nothing that day that reminded me ...
 


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