The safest bike? A theory...........

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Fellow Tossers (or Tossers-To-Be), bear with me on this one as I try and demonstrate why buying a GS could be one of the wisest moves ever from a safety point of view.

I think that we all accept that entering the world of 'Adventure' bike riding generally and GS ownership particularly brings a lot of unexpected benefits. This thread is not going to repeat the reasons 'why-to-buy' as other forumites have done it better already.

No, this is just a theory which I want to evaluate and discuss with you to see if it has general merit.

Coming from a lifetime of sports bikes ranging from Ducatis through Triumphs and ZZRs of varying size to the latest Hayabusa, I have always found that it takes a lot of effort, an iron will and requires a fair bit of discomfort.

What am I talking about.

Lifesavers, that's what - that critical last glance over your shoulder when pulling out or overtaking to make sure that something was not hidden in your mirror's blindspot.

It didn't seem to matter what helmet I wore, it was always a bugger and sometimes on a long ride I found myself just going through the motions of a Lifesaver without really looking.

So why was this?

On a sports bike, you are bent foward into a semi-crouch with your knees cranked up underneath you. There is a lot of weight on the wrists and the whole of the neck and upper shoulder region is in tension. You don't notice it much at speed because the wind pressure tends to support some of your weight.

But try and look around to the right to perform a safety check, and it becomes a pretty unnatural position best carried out by lithe and supple, albeit spotty, :rob youths - not old codgers like yours truly.

If you travel much on the continent, you will have noticed that glancing around to the left is much easier because you can let go of the left handlebar which frees up the upper body a bit.

Now stay awake there at the back of the class, this could save your life. :green gri

The first time I rode a GSA, I was amazed at how easy it was to look around generally and give a lifesaver in particular. Because you are seated in a much more natural position with the wide bars fed back to you, your upper back and neck are much more mobile. I have a very stiff back but I find that I can comfortably twist around to see the car behind - no problem at all.

This means that you will be much more aware of what going on around you and the position of other vehicles - as a result, you will ride more confidently and with less stress and strain and finish your ride elated and wanting more.

I have to say that every time I rode one of the hypersports bikes, I returned to base breathing a sigh of relief. Now I want to go straight out again.

So that's Quod Erat Demonstrandum for you Latin scholars and How's That Grab You for those more cranially challenged. :augie

A serious point though and your views and experiences on this very critical safety issue would be interesting to read.
 
I think everyone who has ridden a GS appreciates two things:

1) The view over the roofs of the cars in front.

2) The ability to overtake a string of cars, perhaps at 15mph more than the flow - knowing that should something appear ahead - you are always aware of the location of the bumper of the car you have just drifted past - allowing a quick glance of the head and tuck in - to the space to the side of you.

As you say - a lot easier and sure than the craning of the neck when leaning forward - and having some doubt in your mind.

Al :)
 
Whilst I agree with your analogy, when comparing a GS to a sports bike, it's not unique to a GS, any bike with a riding position similar to a GS whould achieve the same result, 990 KTM, TDM, Tiger etc.
The safest type of bike surely?
 
Don't forget, GS's are also safer for your legs in a spill :D
 
I agree completely that any bike with an upright seating position, but particularly 'adventure' bikes will provide the same advantage.

That said, this particular section of the forum tries (I think) to help the uninitiated form views about the desirability, foibles and quirks of the GS specifically and provides generalised information leading to the purchase of a GS so that's the bike I cited.

And hell yes, when I buy a bike, safety is critical. How well it handles and brakes, whether it has ABS, traction control, low tyre pressure warning and whether I can get comfortable and hence stay alert on a long run are as much about safety as having fun in my view.

These are important at my stage in life, anyway. :rob I recognise that 40 years ago, all I wanted was racy looks and power, power, power. :green gri
 
Don't forget, GS's are also safer for your legs in a spill :D


Not necessarily, the cylinders will take your shins out so easily :augie


GS is no safer than any other bike- It's the person piloting it that makes it safe or not.
 
a friend of a friend was involved in a smidsy with a porsche

gs 1 : porsche 0

The porsche was a write off, the GS.... repairable.

Most importantly was that the biker walked away just bruised.

I would rather be on the GS in a accident than my R6 any day. Ideally neither though. :rolleyes:
 
Some good points; some effectively "neutral".

Sheer full frontal "visibility" counts for something; the bigger the frontal (can you see me now ?) area you present to the car about to pull out in front of you (i.e. the more the driver sees you in his field of vision) the better. And a white helmet (allegedly) does help and the receiver's brain "signals" it better than a black one or darker coloured one. Markings also help as they aid with the "signalling" thing.

The commanding view of a GS helps with overall all-round vision, but I'd argue it's a downside if the rider is slightly struggling with seat height when at a standstill..... lots of GS riders tippy-toe or do the balancing thing to get on/off the bike. That's not quite so safe unless the rider is smart and thinking about safe technique constantly.

The "lifesaver" thing that OR mentions is a combination of good practices, GS ergonomics and what we now call "human factors" (the link between ergonomics and basic safe practices). Important, but not unique at all to a GS.

One "downer" is the quietness of the engine...... people respond to vision and sound and a combination of both reinforces perceptibility and awareness. There are any number of published technical papers on this subject. The problem is that, say, unlike a HD (with its distinctive sound power level, engine beat / frequency distribution etc, which attracts attention ... often in an unwelcome kind of way too), the GS exhaust note is a tad too quiet (as a safety "can you hear me now ?" warning ), even with an aftermarket exhaust with a slight "howl" to the note. They sound better but often just end up irritating the rider on long journeys more than anything else.

Another factor is good "road presence", and I don't just mean sheer size. The police riders are taught this and develop skills of 'commanding' the road, whether on a BMW R1200RT or a little Honda. It's that balance of overall rider skill, allied to intrinsic (and extrinsic) factors associated with the bike itself that make the real difference.

GS riders still get run over in the real world unfortunately. I was nearly taken out twice in a month by old codgers totally unaware and oblivious to the sheer size frontal size of the aluminium silver GSA1150 I was riding .... despite me having lights on, right of way and going well within the speed limit. In fact, it was the GSs great handling that probably helped me avoid being splattered on both days...... so well done to GS design for that.

Ride safe........... it's still dangerous out there.

And, Steptoe is right, the basic skills and attentiveness of the rider are key and no GS will compensate for poor skills deployed on-road by a poor rider.
 
The safest bike?


No bike is safe however a GS doesnt make me want to race everything on the road unlike when I owned my race bike. Im quite happy bumbling along taking in the countryside :thumb2
 
Rossi manages to do lifesavers when Stoner is up his arse exiting a corner- and he has a crouched over racebike, last time i looked

i guess money and winning is more important :)
 
lifesaver..

mate wrote off a 2008 gsa doing one of these. the car in front stopped suddenly. :eek::blast
 
The safest bike?


No bike is safe however a GS doesnt make me want to race everything on the road unlike when I owned my race bike. Im quite happy bumbling along taking in the countryside :thumb2

Bike's are very safe, they rarely cause injury when they are parked. Therefore it must be the rider that makes them not safe!
 
safety

oldrascal,i think its up to the pilot as to whether its going to be a safe ride or accident ride.my own theory is that more experienced riders with more saddle time will be better pilots than less experienced new riders.BUT.if i had a choice about CRASHING a bike id rather crash on a bike with CRASH bars such as the gs has than one without.but i dont have alot of CRAsH experience to back that up unfortunately.also with the price of a gs id argue you have an older more experienced rider piloting the bike than a NEWBEE.
 
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Don't forget, GS's are also safer for your legs in a spill :D

Uhm.. not when they transmit 240KGs through your foot/leg via the cylinder. GSs crash better, but you may end up more damaged. IME my body prefers non-Boxers, but my wallet prefers Boxers.
 


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