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[DING-DONG]

FFs this is getting silly, now we're talking about saving the planet ref emissions and lead on a motorbike forum
Tis simples really:
My bike was mapped the engine was FOOKED and needed replacing was i worried No because I made that choice and take full responsibility if the shite hit the fan, if your a doubter I suggest you don't have your bike remapped for your own insanity, if you do then you'll benefit but it comes with its own responsibility and that's what you need to accept.

Geoff is not just a man with a Dyno either, ask him what he did before.

 

[Nutty]

Um, my £14k bike is 7 months into a 24 month warranty and has been remapped by Hilltop. No bravado here

Sorry, maybe I'm just old skooll but I genuinely don't get it. Bikes to me have never been about warranties, residuals etc etc. and if ever I do start worrying about all that stuff please shoot me

Life's toooooooooo short.


Andres

But you're saying that if people are worried about their warranty, to grow some bollocks. Some people will be worried, some won't, it's up to them.

I'm not worried enough to not get it done, but am interested to know what warranty Hilltop offer. From reading posts on here, I'm sure if anyone has had problems, we would have heard about it by now, so it seems that getting it done is a win win.

 

[Nutty]

FFs this is getting silly, now we're talking about saving the planet ref emissions and lead on a motorbike forum
Tis simples really:
My bike was mapped the engine was FOOKED and needed replacing was i worried No because I made that choice and take full responsibility if the shite hit the fan, if your a doubter I suggest you don't have your bike remapped for your own insanity, if you do then you'll benefit but it comes with its own responsibility and that's what you need to accept.

Geoff is not just a man with a Dyno either, ask him what he did before.

If that bike went back to BMW for a refund, and had been remapped, BMW obviously couldn't see the remap. That's good enough for me.

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

But you're saying that if people are worried about their warranty, to grow some bollocks. Some people will be worried, some won't, it's up to them.

I'm not worried enough to not get it done, but am interested to know what warranty Hilltop offer. From reading posts on here, I'm sure if anyone has had problems, we would have heard about it by now, so it seems that getting it done is a win win.

"Growing some bollox" was aimed at a particular person not everybody and yeah, each to their own, I respect that entirely. I just get a bit depressed when I see the corporate car world worm it's way into bikes but hey ho, onward and upward

Re a warranty on the Hilltop work..........yeah right You could always ask Geoff though as I don't actually know, I never asked..................

Andres

 

[paul08]

Some on here, me included, felt that the mapping of our bikes was deficient in some way and decided to have our bikes remapped to try and improve things. I have yet to read anything that suggests that anyone that has been to Hilltop are anything other than very pleased with the results.

However, there also seems to be a number of forum members who have some sort of issue with this. And they seem to take every available opportunity to try to take exception to the whole Hilltop remapping thing. Sorry, but it becomes a bit boring after a while. So, if it is such an issue for them, why do they not just block any thread with "Hilltop" in the title. Then, that would leave those of us who have had it done, or are seriously considering it, to discuss the changes evident to our bikes after the remapping.

Stands back and expects to get shot at !!!!!!!

 

[Skid06]

mines booked

 

[Nutty]

mines booked

Clear your inbox I'm trying to PM you!

 

[DING-DONG]

mines booked

Steve, I'm calling into hilltop 2mo will book same as.

 

[Skid06]

Steve, I'm calling into hilltop 2mo will book same as.

thats brill Dave, Nutty, inbox cleared, keep me posted

 

[Godzilla]

One thing has puzzled me. Maybe someone can explain.
If the bikes run lean (I assume this means low/less fuel in the fuel/air mixture) out of the factory. The the map corrects this, ie adds more fuel to the mixture. Then how do people get more mpg? Surely adding more fuel per stroke would make the mpg go down?

Thanks

 

[RedRick Esq.]

One thing has puzzled me. Maybe someone can explain.
If the bikes run lean (I assume this means low/less fuel in the fuel/air mixture) out of the factory. The the map corrects this, ie adds more fuel to the mixture. Then how do people get more mpg? Surely adding more fuel per stroke would make the mpg go down?

Thanks

I guess it's because you get a bigger bang !
I think the amounts or difference will be negligible as a air fuel ratio of 14:1 compared to 12;1 isn't that much
And of course the fuelling varies across the Rev and load range but being a mechanical idiot I could well be wrong

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Yeah, that's pretty much correct.

The engine is running more efficiently, producing a bit more power/torque so 'if' you ride at the same speeds you will use slightly less throttle hence slightly better mpg. If, however, you 'use' the increased performance then you're obviously back to square one.

TBH my 1190 is doing the same mpg before and post re-map but the improvement is in a smoother more tractable engine

Andres

 

[Engineer]

Yeah, that's pretty much correct.

The engine is running more efficiently, producing a bit more power/torque so 'if' you ride at the same speeds you will use slightly less throttle hence slightly better mpg. If, however, you 'use' the increased performance then you're obviously back to square one.

TBH my 1190 is doing the same mpg before and post re-map but the improvement is in a smoother more tractable engine

Andres

If fuel is being burnt more efficiently then won't there be fewer emissions?

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

If fuel is being burnt more efficiently then won't there be fewer emissions?

I'd have thought so

Andres

 

[Engineer]

Some on here, me included, felt that the mapping of our bikes was deficient in some way and decided to have our bikes remapped to try and improve things. I have yet to read anything that suggests that anyone that has been to Hilltop are anything other than very pleased with the results.

However, there also seems to be a number of forum members who have some sort of issue with this. And they seem to take every available opportunity to try to take exception to the whole Hilltop remapping thing. Sorry, but it becomes a bit boring after a while. So, if it is such an issue for them, why do they not just block any thread with "Hilltop" in the title. Then, that would leave those of us who have had it done, or are seriously considering it, to discuss the changes evident to our bikes after the remapping.

Stands back and expects to get shot at !!!!!!!

I don't think that anyone has 'got it in' for Hilltop, but rather trying to understand what the full consequences of a remap are - BMW probably know as much about engines as anyone and work really hard to get the best compromise - I don't believe that some guy in Leicestershire has some special knowledge that enables him to do a better job than BMW given the same constraints. My guess he just ignores some of those constraints because he can - the most obvious one being emissions, what are the others? I'd like to know that's all.

 

[Engineer]

I'd have thought so

Andres

So if there are fewer emissions, lower fuel consumption, flatter torque and more power after a Hilltop remap then BMW must be incompetent? Or are we missing something here?

 

[cookie]

i can't imagine that the hilltop remap gets lower emissions.

BTW has anyone run this past their insurers yet?

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

So if there are fewer emissions, lower fuel consumption, flatter torque and more power after a Hilltop remap then BMW must be incompetent? Or are we missing something here?

Jeez, it's like pulling fecking teeth The reason has already been given in this thread and countless other identical threads on here.....................

.............

BTW has anyone run this past their insurers yet?

I wouldn't like to comment

Andres

 

[Norfolk Tiger]

I chose to have mine done whilst it was still under warranty and if there were any issues caused by it being done and the warranty was void it would be down to ME as I had made the decision to do so.
As for the endless questions and speculation everytime this is mentioned the easy solution is to pick up the phone and ask the man.

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Simples
You either have it done and enjoy riding a bike that is " better" but take your chance on whatever perils may or may not lurk in the small print or you stick with what you have !

whichever way you go fair enough but be carefull beyond the front door as its a bad world