today's crash

[jlabro]

Today, as i was getting into a corner(was in the middle of it,not really fast),the next thing i can remember is going wide at it,and braking with no response..
The result was to get into the gravel on the side of the road and crashing into wall of earth,next to a hill going down..really lucky !!

Me and the bike are ok,not even scratched,but the question is that the bike did not reduce any speed as i was pushing the break before going to the gravel(where the abs normally does not do a good job..)

Is there a chance of brake system failure ??
Tommorow morning i am to the dealer,and check any problems..will the GT1 show a possibly brake failure??

Really ball crash,as i was over the bike ,5 metres away and some inches only from going doen the hill..

 

[AndyT]

Hi there - glad to see you are okay. Do a search on the forum for brake failure. I have seen a few recently but never seemed to be whilst riding but worth a check.

Hope all works out.

AndyT

 

[finglonga]

Glad you are o.k.


As above but also worth a look HEAR too.

 

[Fanum]

Glad you're here to tell us about it too
jlabro....sounds nasty!

When you say 'braking with no response', do you mean you applied the brakes but they didn't slow you down (so they might have been on loose stuff or oil or something) or was it that you applied the brakes and they didn't come on?

Hmmm, sorry, just re-read the post.....it sounds like you meant the latter, in which case yes it does sound like a brake failure, unless it just felt like one because of the gravel moving maybe?


AFAIK, the BWM dignostics don't report failures in the same way as black box flight recorders, so it won't show the amount you pulled the lever or applied the pedal against the amount of braking force achieved, but it should report an error with the ABS system albeit an unquantifiable one, ie it will just flag up that there was an error rather than how bad the failure was.

Keep us informed.....there are a lot of people watching this sort of thing right now

 

[minkyhead]

were they working afterwards ok ???

 

[jlabro]

Glad you're here to tell us about it too
jlabro....sounds nasty!

When you say 'braking with no response', do you mean you applied the brakes but they didn't slow you down (so they might have been on loose stuff or oil or something) or was it that you applied the brakes and they didn't come on?

Hmmm, sorry, just re-read the post.....it sounds like you meant the latter, in which case yes it does sound like a brake failure, unless it just felt like one because of the gravel moving maybe?


AFAIK, the BWM dignostics don't report failures in the same way as black box flight recorders, so it won't show the amount you pulled the lever or applied the pedal against the amount of braking force achieved, but it should report an error with the ABS system albeit an unquantifiable one, ie it will just flag up that there was an error rather than how bad the failure was.

Keep us informed.....there are a lot of people watching this sort of thing right now

goodmirning.. the bike,when i presses the brake as i was on tarmac should at least reduce the speed,but it did much less.canot remember how less,but i went wide to the gravel with much speed.. so it may not worked properly...that's why i guess a brake "failure" it was like i pressed the brake at 20% of it's power... at 5 hours i arranged to go to the dealer to check it out,and will inform.
i think i did not have contact with any oil,as there would be a mark on the road.

 

[jlabro]

were they working afterwards ok ???

after we pulled the bike out,they worked ok,but again in a turn the back part of the bike seemed to get wider !!

one more thing : when we oulled the bike out,the rear wheel could not move,even though we pressed the clutch.

A guy there told me that some kind of "contact" was of at the side of the engine, and then , he got it in again ??? and it was working. Till this point there was no indicator of the selected gear..

 

[jlabro]

as we pulled the bike out of where we had with a FREELANDER,we attached a kind "rope" (i do not know the excact word) to where the reaer left luggage is fitted in,and of course it broke,so i need to change all the down side of the rear part of the bike (the silver,under the back seat). does any1 knows how much it costs ?? not a big deal though,since i am alive !!

 

[jlabro]

3 MORE hours to kind of "know" what was wrong...

 

[jlabro]

do you think it may have something to do with this :

http://www.webbikeworld.com/BMW-motorcycles/bmw-motorcycle-recalls/bmw-r1200gs-brake-recall.htm


???

mine is 05 model,bought on feb-17

 

[Tobers]

Hi jlabro,

If you've bent the rear subframe, a replacement costs about £300 in the UK. The subframe is the silver steel tube trellis attached to the engine at the front, and supporting the seats.

Changing it is a bit fiddly as there are lots of wires cable-tied to it, the battery & diagnostic plugs are there as well, and you'll have to undo the rear shock at the top as well.

If yours is just bent and not broken, a large bar will probably bend it back into shape.

 

[jlabro]

it's not that part.. it's the part that the seat goes into. This is devided into the upper (where the holes for the seat are) and the lower.. the lower i need to change,as one of the square holes that holds the side luggage is broken..

 

[jlabro]

it's 240 € ..........

 

[jlabro]

the H&B bars do a grat job.. not even a scratch at the cylinders

 

[Joyseeker]

jlabro

interesting to read you applied brakes and nothing happened.

a couple of months ago i had a brake problem which lasted a week and went away by itself.

suddenly the servo engaged the brakes much further down the play of the front brake leaver. seemed to only happen in slow traffic.

 

[Tricky]

Will be interested to hear if this problem is related to the servo's
(im not a fan of them)
Glad you are ok and the bike not too badly damaged

 

[jlabro]

tested the bike to GT1 today,and is showed one error to the abs system and one error of "brake liquid too low "

the mechanics there told me that the error from the abs system was as i sometime did not the selftest to complete and pressed the brake (which i can't remember doing it), and about the "brake liquid too low " error, they said that as i fell,this gave the signal .

The point is that the bike never went down by side..it just went into a hole of earth into STRAIGHT position,so i do not believe the are right. The brake liquid now is at the middle,and i believe it should at the upper level,as the bike has only 3000 km .

But i cannot prove anything i guess.. what's your opinion ???

 

[Dave Price]

As long as there's some fluid in the resevoir, it should be ok. It only requires fluid in the cylinder to operate the brakes.
Only you should know whether there was a mechanical failure, however, I'd have thought the chances are slight.

 

[TerryM]

Hi Giannis,

I do not understand precisely what happened?

Did the brakes not stop you enough for the corner when you were vertical and in a straight line?

Or did the bike to go straight on after you had entered the corner as you braked with the bike leaned over at an angle?

Or did you continue to brake after the bike left the road and the wheel(s)were on soil or gravel etc and then they failed to grip?

Glad to hear the damage to you and bike are not great.

Terry

 

[jlabro]

i was leaned with the bike (not very much) and cannot remember how,but i got wide at the corner even though i was just at the middle of it. then i braked but the bike did not loose much speed. like i was braking at 20% . then i went into the gravel and did not brake at all as i knew the abs may do the things worse.


Thank god the bike did not fell in any side just "fitted" into a great path of earth with earth walls of 1 metre width (do not know the excact words to describe it)

i believe the bike should have braked harder !