Wankpanzer Oder Uberwankpanzer ?

[Arsey]

Costa or Starbucks ?
£22k or £27k ?

 

[Pukmeister]

£27k. .???

No wonder motorcycling is doomed.

 

[Robbo1200ADV]

Standard GSA TE is just over 20 grand still a lot but when you spec up jeez !! I think the 1150 GSA was just under £10 grand in 2003 when I bought mine ................. That was quite a lot then

 

[pbbanks]

Standard GSA TE is just over 20 grand still a lot but when you spec up jeez !! I think the 1150 GSA was just under £10 grand in 2003 when I bought mine ................. That was quite a lot then

Sounds a lot £20k+ but a pint of beer in 2003 was £2.26 now it's £4.76. So a lot of it is just inflation plus the bikes are a lot more complicated (for good or bad).
I feel I get out of touch with prices as I get older, Think.my parents were the same, it happens as we drop out of spiralling wage increases into retirement.
Paid £12k for a Ducati 916 in1995, it's all relative. If you want the latest GS you pay the money, if not, buy a 3 year old 1250 for half the price.

 

[G&T]

Sounds a lot £20k+ but a pint of beer in 2003 was £2.26 now it's £4.76. So a lot of it is just inflation plus the bikes are a lot more complicated (for good or bad).
I feel I get out of touch with prices as I get older, Think.my parents were the same, it happens as we drop out of spiralling wage increases into retirement.
Paid £12k for a Ducati 916 in1995, it's all relative. If you want the latest GS you pay the money, if not, buy a 3 year old 1250 for half the price.

My perception is that people have lost the value tag of things. A bike’s value is based on what people can afford on a monthly basis now, not the overall cost. Easy for finance co’s to keep nudging monthly costs up because it’s tens of pounds not thousands.

 

[zoltan]

Standard GSA TE is just over 20 grand still a lot but when you spec up jeez !! I think the 1150 GSA was just under £10 grand in 2003 when I bought mine ................. That was quite a lot then

That’s £21464 today.
However paid £12400 for a standard 1250GS in 2019, according to inflation calculations that is £16557 today. A new 1300GS standard £16470.
The 1250GS had more standard equipment than the 1300 has today

So in real terms it’s not an increase. That wages have not increased that is a different story.

 

[Doc]

I never thought I would spend over 30 grand on a bike.
My first bike was £100 second hand though.

 

[leadfarmer]

Standard GSA TE is just over 20 grand still a lot but when you spec up jeez !! I think the 1150 GSA was just under £10 grand in 2003 when I bought mine ................. That was quite a lot then

It probably had ABS as standard too and a trip computer as an option

There is so much more technology in a GS these days for a similar price at up to date rates,
Lean sensitive ABS, traction control, TPMS, cruise control, semi active suspension with configurable damping and auto preload etc, even variable spring rate on the 1300s which is superb, TFT screen with Bluetooth connectivity for navigation, music, phone, electric screens etc.etc.

 

[G&T]

I’ve just watched a video where the owner of a new 24 plate 1300GS (now 10 months old with 9k Miles) was offered £8000 less than he bought it for by his local dealer.

Yes folks £8000 depreciation in 10 months.

 

[Arsey]

It probably had ABS as standard too and a trip computer as an option

There is so much more technology in a GS these days for a similar price at up to date rates,
Lean sensitive ABS, traction control, TPMS, cruise control, semi active suspension with configurable damping and auto preload etc, even variable spring rate on the 1300s which is superb, TFT screen with Bluetooth connectivity for navigation, music, phone, electric screens etc.etc.

Yet they use an old TFT screen and don’t even fit backlit switchgear .
Nobody will keep a 1300GS out of warranty as they probably couldn’t afford to fix it when all that tech plays up . There’s already people with issues surrounding the auto lowering thingy .

I’m old but I really don’t like the direction many bike manufacturers have gone in and dealers have pushed PCPs.
The fact my new car due soon has cost less than a new GS says it all to me .

 

[Arsey]

I’ve just watched a video where the owner of a new 24 plate 1300GS (now 10 months old with 9k Miles) was offered £8000 less than he bought it for by his local dealer.

Yes folks £8000 depreciation in 10 months.

More than my new bike is costing . I’m pretty sure it’ll be worth more than £0 in 10 months.

PS.
Watching that Chopsie vid above , why do BMW persist on making a Triple Black model then hardly paint anything black ?

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

I’ve just watched a video where the owner of a new 24 plate 1300GS (now 10 months old with 9k Miles) was offered £8000 less than he bought it for by his local dealer.

Yes folks £8000 depreciation in 10 months.

Got a link mister?

 

[G&T]

Got a link mister?

Here you go. Start from 14:20 for the numbers.

 

[leadfarmer]

Nobody will keep a 1300GS out of warranty as they probably couldn’t afford to fix it when all that tech plays up

That’s a fair point, I took the 5 year warranty on mine, can’t imagine what a new suspension unit would cost

I’m old but I really don’t like the direction many bike manufacturers have gone in and dealers have pushed PCPs.
The fact my new car due soon has cost less than a new GS says it all to me .

I’m a cash buyer but I get what you mean

The Dacia is just a question of choice though, as is your Voge, but then your goldwing is nearly 30,000 euros new

You pays your money as they say…..

 

[leadfarmer]

I’ve just watched a video where the owner of a new 24 plate 1300GS (now 10 months old with 9k Miles) was offered £8000 less than he bought it for by his local dealer.

Yes folks £8000 depreciation in 10 months.

Does seem pretty savage doesn’t it

I’m not too familiar with PCP but I guess like many financial products it will be effectively what they call front loaded, you’ll pay the interest to begin with then the capital, so if you cash out quickly that’s what you’ll lose, the big chunk of interest, however well it’s disguised

 

[Arsey]

That’s a fair point, I took the 5 year warranty on mine, can’t imagine what a new suspension unit would cost

I’m a cash buyer but I get what you mean

The Dacia is just a question of choice though, as is your Voge, but then your goldwing is nearly 30,000 euros new

You pays your money as they say…..

Exactly .
Wing wasn’t cheap but only just over £20k.

I’ve never taken out a PCP and never will .

I liked the 1300GS when I rode it and bet the ASA especially on the GSA will be brilliant. Just not nearly £30k brilliant for me .

 

[pbbanks]

Yet they use an old TFT screen and don’t even fit backlit switchgear .

"Old" TFT is still the best on a bike I've seen so no need to change it.
It,s clear and big enough to read most things on it.

Backlit switchgear totally agree , I've no idea why they haven't bothered to update those. Impossible to see where the correct button to press in the dark is without fumbling around. I just make do with only feeling for the dip switch. That's another one they could do with adding -- auto dipping headlight or better still matrix adaptive headlight.

 

[Tyzer]

"Old" TFT is still the best on a bike I've seen so no need to change it.
It,s clear and big enough to read most things on it.

Backlit switchgear totally agree , I've no idea why they haven't bothered to update those. Impossible to see where the correct button to press in the dark is without fumbling around. I just make do with only feeling for the dip switch. That's another one they could do with adding -- auto dipping headlight or better still matrix adaptive headlight.

Back-lit switches not a biggy for me I can't remember the last time I rode in the dark.
The TFT is brilliant

 

[Arsey]

"Old" TFT is still the best on a bike I've seen so no need to change it.
It,s clear and big enough to read most things on it.

Backlit switchgear totally agree , I've no idea why they haven't bothered to update those. Impossible to see where the correct button to press in the dark is without fumbling around. I just make do with only feeling for the dip switch. That's another one they could do with adding -- auto dipping headlight or better still matrix adaptive headlight.

But backlit switchgear isn’t needed apparently. I read it here multiple times
Pretty sure the new Yamaha GT+ has auto dipping headlight

 

[Arsey]

Tyres are certainly grippy. Seriously lean :