They charge us, because we allow them to.
What are the CO2 emissions for a 1200 GS?
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They charge us, because we allow them to.
WindyChuffer
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Don't pay!
When you get disciplined for refusing to pay for parking at work (based on emissions as opposed to per space), claim constructive dismissal on the basis that how you get to work and what you drive is of no concern to your employer.
Relax.
Your rise in temperature is contributing to global warming. The ice caps will melt, the seas will rise by at least a meter and parking will be the least of your concerns, particuarly not in leafy Richmond upon Thames
WindyChuffer
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Relax. Lol. Just colourful language!
Richmond is tidal BTW....gets affected by spring / abmormally high tides. So that's underwater when the ice caps go as is Chiswick where I live.
Global warming is indeed happening but the correlation with CO2 is unproven and is purely a political excuse to tap us for more tax.
Cows produce more greenhouse gases than cars so if you really care stop drinking milk and eating beef! Plus methane is a far worse greenhouse gas than co2. As cars are taxed on co2 it follows that cow products should be too....
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OK, time to name and shame the employer in question: Loughborough University**.
http://www.lboro.ac.uk/service/fm/security/staff_parking.html
I note that their scheme specifically refers to Car Parking, and does not mention motorbikes. So seems you are exempt... I still maintain that this is bonkers, as what you drive to work is of no concern of your employer.
** A quick google on CO2 parking charges resulted in a hit on Loughborough Uni. The OP, according to his profile, is an academic living in Leicestershire.
http://www.lboro.ac.uk/service/fm/security/staff_parking.html
I note that their scheme specifically refers to Car Parking, and does not mention motorbikes. So seems you are exempt... I still maintain that this is bonkers, as what you drive to work is of no concern of your employer.
** A quick google on CO2 parking charges resulted in a hit on Loughborough Uni. The OP, according to his profile, is an academic living in Leicestershire.
Then he'll know (or should know) how to create a constructive proposition to argue himself out of this little pickle
Blimey, it's hardly a fortune. I had thought we were looking at life changing sums.
The lowest rate (around the 100 mark, where we assume the mighty GS sits) is between £45 and £80 a year (plus or minus depending on all the grade, salary sacrifice waffle ).......
If I have the sums right that's between....um.....errr.....um......... £3.75 and £6.66 a calendar month........
WOW! One and two whole pints of finest London Pride a month
OK, time to name and shame the employer in question: Loughborough University**.
http://www.lboro.ac.uk/service/fm/security/staff_parking.html
I note that their scheme specifically refers to Car Parking, and does not mention motorbikes. So seems you are exempt... I still maintain that this is bonkers, as what you drive to work is of no concern of your employer.
** A quick google on CO2 parking charges resulted in a hit on Loughborough Uni. The OP, according to his profile, is an academic living in Leicestershire.
Oh no, I think I've got myself a stalker......
Whilst I won't be confirming or refuting if it's Loughborough University (I always tick the no publicity box), I can assure you that my employer doesn't exempt motorbikes from parking charges and that numerous universities in and around Leicestershire have policies that combine CO2 emissions with parking charges.
What I need to know is the official CO2 emissions for the 1200GS and, despite the combined knowledge of the forum, that information doesn't appear to be available. I really appreciate the support (and attention) though.
Oh, and I know what you're wearing.......
WindyChuffer
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rce
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Do you like men in things then?
If you had got the words right that would have been amusing
The site says ' You will have read in the Vice Chancellor’s e-newsletter in May that, after several months of discussions between the University and trade unions, the new charging structure for car parking on campus has now been agreed. '
No mention of motorcycles whatsoever.
No mention of motorcycles whatsoever.
Bendy toy
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Bikes really should be a lot better on petrol than they actually are. Sadly, working back from mpg is probably accurate.
& chocolate should taste better.
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Bikes typically have a high coefficient of drag especially a GS/GSA they also tend to have higher drive train losses. Last but not least 100bhp takes x amount of fuel whether a car engine or a bike engine. Weight only comes into the equation during acceleration or when going up hill. Since bike drivers tend to accelerate faster than car drivers that advantage is lost but the car still keeps its advantage while cruising because of its shape.
All that said and done if you compare say a GS with an equally performing car its not bad at all. A bike fares better in town because it doesn't sit still burning fuel as much. The ultimate plus though is that if everyone drove a bike instead of a car there wouldn't be any congestion.
Did it really take several months of negotiation between a University and Trade Unions (plural) to agree this twaddle? Jesus, people must make a (good) career out of it all. Good job they were not given the task of negotiating something serious, it would take a generation.
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Cornwallis,
On a more serious note, the following will be of use to you, on HMRC web site. See section "9.3 How can I obtain the CO2 emissions figure for my vehicle?"
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...rtyType=document&id=HMCE_CL_000090#P206_23894
This states that "For vehicles which do not have a CO2 emissions figure, you should identify the CO2 band based on engine size. CO2 bands and corresponding engine sizes are published with the VAT fuel scale charge tables available on the HMRC website at hmrc.gov.uk."
CO2 emissions legislation does not apply to motorbikes (yet). This is why it is not on your V5.
Now you should be aware that Fuel Scale Charges ONLY APPLY to cars & vans. My accountant told me that fuel scale charges DO NOT apply to motorbikes. However you should speak to HMRC on this as I can't find an article on it.
Now from what I have read re your work parking scheme, it explicitly talks about cars. Not motorbikes. Now a motorbike is not a car in law.
Therefore it is not feasible for motorbike parking to be charged based on CO2 emissions.
Mike.
On a more serious note, the following will be of use to you, on HMRC web site. See section "9.3 How can I obtain the CO2 emissions figure for my vehicle?"
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...rtyType=document&id=HMCE_CL_000090#P206_23894
This states that "For vehicles which do not have a CO2 emissions figure, you should identify the CO2 band based on engine size. CO2 bands and corresponding engine sizes are published with the VAT fuel scale charge tables available on the HMRC website at hmrc.gov.uk."
CO2 emissions legislation does not apply to motorbikes (yet). This is why it is not on your V5.
Now you should be aware that Fuel Scale Charges ONLY APPLY to cars & vans. My accountant told me that fuel scale charges DO NOT apply to motorbikes. However you should speak to HMRC on this as I can't find an article on it.
Now from what I have read re your work parking scheme, it explicitly talks about cars. Not motorbikes. Now a motorbike is not a car in law.
Therefore it is not feasible for motorbike parking to be charged based on CO2 emissions.
Mike.
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Then he'll know (or should know) how to create a constructive proposition to argue himself out of this little pickle
Blimey, it's hardly a fortune. I had thought we were looking at life changing sums.
The lowest rate (around the 100 mark, where we assume the mighty GS sits) is between £45 and £80 a year (plus or minus depending on all the grade, salary sacrifice waffle ).......
If I have the sums right that's between....um.....errr.....um......... £3.75 and £6.66 a calendar month........
WOW! One and two whole pints of finest London Pride a month
Thats not the point Wapping. Once you let these folks get the charge in and accepted, the price only goes one way and that ain't down, and then they go and make the rules more draconian. Its a slippery slope. So don't let them.
By all means let your employer charge a reasonable amount for parking based on ho much space you use. But not on CO2 as what you drive has nothing to do with your employer.
So they just knock out the word CO2 (and lose a few brownie points in the 'We run a green faculty' brochure) and all is well with the world.
For the cost of between just one and two pints of (decent) beer a month - to park a small car or motorbike for a year at Leicester's foremost seat of learning - that looks like a very good deal
Blimey, they should have let me do the negotiation. It would not taken months, meaning that the Vice-Chancellor and Union staff would have been far better employed doing something a lot more useful..... like debating tuition fees.
WindyChuffer
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So they just knock out the word CO2 (and lose a few brownie points in the 'We run a green faculty' brochure) and all is well with the world.
For the cost of between just one and two pints of (decent) beer a month - to park a small car or motorbike for a year at Leicester's foremost seat of learning - that looks like a very good deal
Blimey, they should have let me do the negotiation. It would not taken months, meaning that the Vice-Chancellor and Union staff would have been far better employed doing something a lot more useful..... like debating tuition fees.
Not quite - change the policy so its charged per space per vehicle type (car / bike). Weird that they charge a different rate based on grade too...go figure?
Yes agreed re the negotiation. Am sure you and I would have made a great team and eaten them for brekky. Sadly its "green fever" all round, and its catching.
On the topic of jobs-worths, don't get me started on the likes of BP where it's a disciplinary offence to be caught walking on the stairs not holding the hand rail (yes, in office not a rig), and also to be walking with a cup of water with no lid on. Just imagine the management distractions there...
