That's what I meant. Drop the words CO2 and you are still left with a vehicle parking space. Charge the pittance (of a pint or two a month) they by-and-large seem to have in mind and life (outside of Leicester at least) will continue.
What are the CO2 emissions for a 1200 GS?
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That's what I meant. Drop the words CO2 and you are still left with a vehicle parking space. Charge the pittance (of a pint or two a month) they by-and-large seem to have in mind and life (outside of Leicester at least) will continue.
I'VE WON!
Thanks to all of the support and information from members, including WindyChuffers very helpful link to HM Revenue & Customs which confirms the difficulties of finding the CO2 emissions for bikes i.e. it's just not available.
However, I'm delighted to report that my employer (whoever that might be) has been beaten into submission by my emails. They've now bypassed the official on-line emissions calculator (that uses cc and not actual emissions for bikes) to make the emissions of my GS less that 100g/km (before it was 120g/km as a 1200cc vehicle). Whilst I'm still none the wiser about the actual emisions for a 1200GS, I can now park for free.
But I still wonder about the emissions for the GS, especially as my bike's had the cat removed. I hope it's over 120 or more!
Thanks
Thanks to all of the support and information from members, including WindyChuffers very helpful link to HM Revenue & Customs which confirms the difficulties of finding the CO2 emissions for bikes i.e. it's just not available.
However, I'm delighted to report that my employer (whoever that might be) has been beaten into submission by my emails. They've now bypassed the official on-line emissions calculator (that uses cc and not actual emissions for bikes) to make the emissions of my GS less that 100g/km (before it was 120g/km as a 1200cc vehicle). Whilst I'm still none the wiser about the actual emisions for a 1200GS, I can now park for free.
But I still wonder about the emissions for the GS, especially as my bike's had the cat removed. I hope it's over 120 or more!
Thanks
Time Traveller
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Highly entertaining read.
BTW No. one graduated from Luffbra last year (Civil Engineer) and I take number two there on Thursday...I will check out the car park with great interest and see if there is a GS with ukGSer sticker on it...then we will know for sure
BTW No. one graduated from Luffbra last year (Civil Engineer) and I take number two there on Thursday...I will check out the car park with great interest and see if there is a GS with ukGSer sticker on it...then we will know for sure
WindyChuffer
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Good one, and nice result. It is always satisfying to see ill thought out rules / policies beaten down particularly when they equate to a tax.
Out of interest, did you ask them what business it is of an employer to worry about what an employee drives to work?
Also, did the parking policy explicitly mention motorbikes, or did it exclusively talk about cars / vans or just motor vehicles?
PS - Whats with the Charles Cornwallis association?
Mike.
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Thats not the attitude. It may be a pittance to start with, but it's yet another tax, and once it's in, accepted, and precedence set, its a slippery slope to more taxes and more cost!
The powers that be around the country are clearly on a mission to make it as uncomfortable as possible to have a big fat engine. For example, the government's recommended cost to park a 5 Series Beemer (a colleague has one that's 12 years old) could leave the owner paying just over £300 per year. Someone with a Prius would pay nothing. And, of course, this government policy is reflected in the pricing of road tax which increases as CO2 emissions increase.
I have a fundamantal objection to my employer (influenced by the government) attempting to influence what I drive/ride, hence my stance on paying to park my GS. There's no way that the US government would ever get away with something like that. As always, bikes were not considered as part of my employer's new charging, hence my battle (that I won!).
Cornwallis had some memorable adventures in America, and I've done the same.......
WindyChuffer
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"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength..."
Now where have I heard that before?
Now where have I heard that before?
Highly entertaining read.
BTW No. one graduated from Luffbra last year (Civil Engineer) and I take number two there on Thursday...I will check out the car park with great interest and see if there is a GS with ukGSer sticker on it...then we will know for sure
If Cornwallis is the person I believe then you won't spot the said bike on Thursday if there is a hint of moisture in the air! However, I was there on mine today, and Monday, in the rain. Not tomorrow however as I'm part time.
I too escaped the parking charges... hurrahhhh!!!!
.. but you can get two bikes in the space occupied by one 1200cc car. You should get a 50% reduction!
GS_or_bust
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As I pointed out in an earlier post, you can calculate the CO2 emissions directly from the mpg. See this. The government decided they would use CO2 emissions as a measure because it could be more easily connected to the tax collection bandwagon that is Climate Change. If the National Lottery is a tax on the stupid then green taxes are a tax supported by the gullible, unfortunately they make us all pay it.
Maybe instead of a green tax they should have a Green Lottery where money raised from it goes to save the planet. Then we could choose whether to support this 'Good Cause' or not.
trainman
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then someone will argue that a car shared by 2 or 3 people is emitting even less CO2 per person, we cannot win on this!
its hard to argue when bikes like the GS have MPG and CO2 on a par with a car that will seat 4, will next years new bike be any better?
having said that keep fighting!!
If only.....
But to show how warped the powers that be get about putting two bikes in a car space, last year I was within seconds of getting a ticket in central Edinburgh for doing just that. My mate paid for the ticket and put it on his screen and I assumed that my bike was included as part of the package because we had one ticket to pay for one space. Certainly not said the parking enforcer; we needed a ticket each and he was about to give me a fine. I know that if I'd got a ticket and appealed I could have just said that it fell off; but it's the bloody cheek of it.
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Tats odd, I didn't think bikes were allowed to park in a car space whether paying or not in Edinburgh. They provide free bike spaces for that purpose.
Parking bays and bikes is a bit of a minefield as regulations vary per town/city. But, if the bike bays are full and there's a car bay free, I don't have problem paying if I'm desperate and that's what's required. I just object to the pay twice for one bay rule that came to light in Edinbugh.
I got a ticket in York a few years ago for parking the bike in a corner where a car could not get. Spaces were free, I thought I'd leave a space for a car... I got a ticket for not using a designated bay. It was not an obstruction, just in a corner, out of the way.
Not really in the spirit of the law I felt. We had an "extended communication" by post. I still had to pay £30. It must have cost them more than that in admin time.
Not really in the spirit of the law I felt. We had an "extended communication" by post. I still had to pay £30. It must have cost them more than that in admin time.
Bendy toy
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In Derby (UK) wanted to park my bike on a corner of a street parking zone. The space was too small for any car but ideal for a bike and "protected" on 2 sides by raised kerbs. There was a traffic warden nearby so I asked if it was OK. He said no; bikes don't have to pay parking fees but must use a designated space. He agreed its a stupid rule but would have to ticket me if it did otherwise.
I dont know of any designated motorbike parking bays in the town. I have however used certain cycle bays (on the basis that motorcycles are not specifically excluded) and got away with it.
I dont know of any designated motorbike parking bays in the town. I have however used certain cycle bays (on the basis that motorcycles are not specifically excluded) and got away with it.
