garfield
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and of course car drivers will be getting an equally tough test 
What do you think of the New Bike Test?
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Zafira
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and of course car drivers will be getting an equally tough test
Perhaps a nationwide petition would help?
Adventure Stu
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As has been suggested, a power or speed reduction for the first 12/24 months after passing a test would be a good way to progress.
In N.Ireland, and I believe the Isle of Man
, all new drivers must show "R" plates and are restricted to 45mph for the first 12 months of passing a car test. Admittedly that could be relaxed slightly and the speed upped to 60/70mph for motorway driving (as there are a lot more here than either of the other 2 places)
Also in N.I. there is no DAS, all new riders are 'restricted' (by law at least)for the first 24 months.
In N.Ireland, and I believe the Isle of Man
, all new drivers must show "R" plates and are restricted to 45mph for the first 12 months of passing a car test. Admittedly that could be relaxed slightly and the speed upped to 60/70mph for motorway driving (as there are a lot more here than either of the other 2 places)Also in N.I. there is no DAS, all new riders are 'restricted' (by law at least
)for the first 24 months.
Zafira
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Of course its ok for all those that have already passed to now make judgements
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Yoda
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Of course its ok for all those that have already passed to now make judgements
Absolutely.
I passed my test when 16 on a Lambretta Li 150. Bloke with peaked cap and a clipboard stood on the corner and said, "Go left, left, left and left - I will observe and at some point will step out in the road with my arm raised and you will perform an emergency stop".
So, basically as long as you didn't fall off where he could see you then you passed.
Roll forward 30 years and I hadn't ridden for 25 so I took a complete refresh as if I was going through the modern test.
Having done that I'm darned glad that I stuck to the old RS for a couple of years. Yes - I was legally entitled ride a Fireblade, but I'm pretty sure I'd have killed myself.
"ü Wheel the bike backwards
ü Perform a figure of eight
ü Perform a 50Kph "at speed" corner
ü Perform a 50 Kph Swerve
ü Perform a 50 Kph Emergency breaking exercise
ü Slow riding exercise (very slow)"
But I did these when I took my CBT 2 years ago. At the age of 40 and never having been on a bike before. I also did them again during my DAS course.
With the correct training I don't see why this would scare people off. After all, is it not better to be taught how to do these maneuvers properly by an experienced person, rather than be caught out when new on the road?
ü Perform a figure of eight
ü Perform a 50Kph "at speed" corner
ü Perform a 50 Kph Swerve
ü Perform a 50 Kph Emergency breaking exercise
ü Slow riding exercise (very slow)"
But I did these when I took my CBT 2 years ago. At the age of 40 and never having been on a bike before. I also did them again during my DAS course.
With the correct training I don't see why this would scare people off. After all, is it not better to be taught how to do these maneuvers properly by an experienced person, rather than be caught out when new on the road?
BBB61
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I doubt you did a 50kmh swerve or an emergency stop as part of your CBT as they are not part of the syllabus.
Getting the correct training is going to be made more difficult as most authorised training bodies do not have access to sites that are sufficiently large enough to practice the new manouvres for the test. Most will have to make alternative arrangements, which will of course increase costs.
Then there is the trek to the motorcycle test centre as the DSA are having to open up test centres specially to conduct this new test regime. There will be far fewer centres meaning people will have to travel much further to get to them.
As I said earlier in this thread, it's all designed to make it harder to get a motorcycle licence, not to improve motorcycle safety. And don't forget what is coming in 2012/13 as part of the third EC licence directive:-
Age 16 CBT Provisional Moped, Theory and hazard perception test, Off road manouvres test, on road test. Full P licence.
Age 17 CBT Provisional A1 motorcycle, Theory & hazard test. Off road test, on road test using 125cc bike. Full A1 licence. Restricted to 125cc 14 BHP for 2 years.
Age 19 CBT Provisional A2 motorcycle, Theory & hazard test. Off road test, on road test using 33 BHP bike greater than 500cc. Full A2 licence. Restricted to 47 BHP for 2 years.
Age 21 CBT Provisional A motorcycle, Theory & hazard test. Off road test, on road test using 47 BHP bike greater than 600cc. Full A licence.
Unrestricted Direct Access will remain but at age 24 years.
The new test being introduced in 2008 is the thin end of the wedge. It will do nothing to improve motorcycle safety, and neither will the new stepped test proposals for 2012/13. Who at the age of 17 will want to go through 3 sets of theory, hazard perception, off road and on road tests to be able to get on a larger bike? And why is nothing similar being proposed for car drivers to enable them to go up to larger engined cars?
Getting the correct training is going to be made more difficult as most authorised training bodies do not have access to sites that are sufficiently large enough to practice the new manouvres for the test. Most will have to make alternative arrangements, which will of course increase costs.
Then there is the trek to the motorcycle test centre as the DSA are having to open up test centres specially to conduct this new test regime. There will be far fewer centres meaning people will have to travel much further to get to them.
As I said earlier in this thread, it's all designed to make it harder to get a motorcycle licence, not to improve motorcycle safety. And don't forget what is coming in 2012/13 as part of the third EC licence directive:-
Age 16 CBT Provisional Moped, Theory and hazard perception test, Off road manouvres test, on road test. Full P licence.
Age 17 CBT Provisional A1 motorcycle, Theory & hazard test. Off road test, on road test using 125cc bike. Full A1 licence. Restricted to 125cc 14 BHP for 2 years.
Age 19 CBT Provisional A2 motorcycle, Theory & hazard test. Off road test, on road test using 33 BHP bike greater than 500cc. Full A2 licence. Restricted to 47 BHP for 2 years.
Age 21 CBT Provisional A motorcycle, Theory & hazard test. Off road test, on road test using 47 BHP bike greater than 600cc. Full A licence.
Unrestricted Direct Access will remain but at age 24 years.
The new test being introduced in 2008 is the thin end of the wedge. It will do nothing to improve motorcycle safety, and neither will the new stepped test proposals for 2012/13. Who at the age of 17 will want to go through 3 sets of theory, hazard perception, off road and on road tests to be able to get on a larger bike? And why is nothing similar being proposed for car drivers to enable them to go up to larger engined cars?
gopher
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Manual, Yoda-speak, according to:-
Wisdom true, you have.
Path therein, it lies.
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PhilM
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When Mercedes were about to launch the A Class, it failed this miserably, straight back to drawing board as the car was dangeously unstable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test
"I doubt you did a 50kmh swerve or an emergency stop as part of your CBT as they are not part of the syllabus."
I didn't say it was part of the syllabus I just said I did during my CBT. The guy who taught me was of the opinion they would be good things to know.
Neither of which are difficult manuveures if you know how to do them properly. And like I said before, is it not better to learn a manuveure such as swerving under a controlled environment?
I didn't say it was part of the syllabus I just said I did during my CBT. The guy who taught me was of the opinion they would be good things to know.
Neither of which are difficult manuveures if you know how to do them properly. And like I said before, is it not better to learn a manuveure such as swerving under a controlled environment?
BBB61
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I would suggest that it is far better to teach someone the importance of good forward observation and anticipation skills rather than go through a 50kmh swerve exercise on the CBT. And to teach the manouvres properly you need a good sized training area, which many training bodies do not have. The DSA will be using a training area the size of a football pitch for the new test exercises, which is why they will only be offering motorcycle tests at a select number of centres from October next year.
instructor Boy
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stop scaring newbies
'' doubt you did a 50kmh swerve or an emergency stop as part of your CBT as they are not part of the syllabus''.
swerve no, e-stop yes you do on pad and on the road as part of the cbt cert.
what really worries me about the views of the new test are ill informed opinions. the primary reason people fail the test is down to the u turn due to traffic, camber, looking at kerb stones! the new u turn is to take place at the off road site before your exam in a width that would let you turn a pan european.
the other exercises you carry out will have been conducted during your cbt. so, technically, if you were issued with a cbt, you can do the test!
please stop scaring people! the new test will dd no more than 10 mins to the overall test time. i am sure more people will be passing!!
'' doubt you did a 50kmh swerve or an emergency stop as part of your CBT as they are not part of the syllabus''.
swerve no, e-stop yes you do on pad and on the road as part of the cbt cert.
what really worries me about the views of the new test are ill informed opinions. the primary reason people fail the test is down to the u turn due to traffic, camber, looking at kerb stones! the new u turn is to take place at the off road site before your exam in a width that would let you turn a pan european.
the other exercises you carry out will have been conducted during your cbt. so, technically, if you were issued with a cbt, you can do the test!
please stop scaring people! the new test will dd no more than 10 mins to the overall test time. i am sure more people will be passing!!
instructor Boy
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oh and thats wrong. too. if you wish to see the size of a real test area, please go to enfield! there are planeed @50 new test areas.
is this guy a dsa mole? or maybe a daily mail reader
Goverments want to drop accident statistics - which have risen for bikes, because more people are riding!
Answer - reduce the number of riders on the road and the accident statistics will drop.
The main thing to remember is that goverment is based in London, the rest of us outside London do not exist. Ken introduced a congestion charge, bikes are exempt so now lots of new bikers/scooter riders are on the roads in the capital, making life hard for the cars patiently queueing, so they are happily trying to legislate us off the road again.
Usual trick of going for the minority again
but I'm not bitter
Answer - reduce the number of riders on the road and the accident statistics will drop.
The main thing to remember is that goverment is based in London, the rest of us outside London do not exist. Ken introduced a congestion charge, bikes are exempt so now lots of new bikers/scooter riders are on the roads in the capital, making life hard for the cars patiently queueing, so they are happily trying to legislate us off the road again.
Usual trick of going for the minority again
but I'm not bitter
Actually, i find it easier to "U" turn the Gs or the Rt, than the wifes Gn125, even considering that the Beemers will have full luggage on and the missus, and I expect that in the city there will be a test center within a few miles, but out in the sticks, youll have to travel huge distances(just like we have to do for hospital appointments), just to take a bike test
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