What GPS?

Gipsy

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Having managed to convince my wife we need a GPS ( aka u-turn avoidance system ) I've started to follow the threads on this site, and done a little research. Unfortunately I don't feel any closer to making a decision. I'm well aware of sod's law re computers which states the moment you've bought yours, its out of date, and I am genuinely having difficulty in understanding many of the postings and the abreviations used. Is there an idiots guide somewhere which lists the attributes and facilities of the available bike friendly units so's I can make an informed decision.
Failing that could someone post unbiased and user friendly basic reports of the units.
It's taken a little while to pluck up courage to make this posting. When in school I was never slow to put my hand up when I didn't understand a topic, but experience has tought me that sometimes anonymity is bliss.
 
So far I`ve found the good folk on this site favour the Garmin 2610, I`ve got one too, which is very handy for tips & fault finding. I myself am very impressed with my 2610 & IMO you could do a lot worse than get one. Here`s a good review http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/garminsp2610-50.php
I can only comment on what I`ve got but I`m sure the rest are vastly inferior :)
Hope this helps :thumb

Lee
 
Gipsy,

I know what you mean, I just went through the same.

There are so many out there and they all sound so good. Problem is if its for a bike there are only a few you can use that are waterproof.

Garmin Quest (running out fast, cheap but based on old technology)
Garmin Quest2 (may be a good choice but not sure how much it will be )
Garmin 26XX range ( good but out of date, I just got my 2610 only to find the latest software from garmin doesn’t work with it because the hardware is going out of date )
Garmin 27XX range ( good but very expensive )
TomTom Ride ( sounds good and comes with everything you need for a bike but as far as I know it only ships with UK maps which by the time you buy the EU maps could be very expensive )


Or a whole range of handhelds but these units tend to be pretty restricting in terms of memory / autorouting and screen size.

Im not an expert so if anyone else knows more feel free to correct me.


Allan
 
allan has boiled it down pretty well - so why not call your local Dixons tomorrow and ask if they can locate one of the few remaining Quests. For £200 (or maybe even less) plus about £15 for a basic mount you then have an effective system whose operation is well known, documented and probably "futureproofed" for the next couple of years. You then have time to suss out emerging systems, watch their prices become affordable and at the same time determine what you really want from a satnav
 
Can I join your club Gipsy? I feel Like Mr Undecided off the Fast Show. Having driven about 1000 miles in circles chasing down one of those elusive Quests I found one but didn't part with the 199 beer tokens as I felt the device felt very left behind by the touch screen boys. I am nooooo techno but am looking at an ipocketpacketsomething with a nav system included. I'll probably get heckled but a demo at Dixons comparing the 2 left me with enough doubt to walk away from the bargain of the year.

I liked the battery on the Quest as I need it for walking and point mapping etc. The specific Nav boxes are really bulky for this hence a slim ipac seems (at the moment) to be more user friendly for my needs (which is very limited regarding bike use).

When I do use a system on the bike or in the car I invariably use postcodes and Quest does not (I think) do this , nor do some of the older expensive models - so make a list of features you want the kit to do and then try another question to the all knowing ones.

Steve

I am going to hang on for a couple of weeks as several new models are beng launched at the moment which should yield a good 2nd hand market from the tekkies.
 
I am going to hang on for a couple of weeks as several new models are beng launched at the moment which should yield a good 2nd hand market from the tekkies.

I really can't see secondhand Quests appearing on the market in the near future as the TT Rider is expensive and the Quest 2 a questionable (!) upgrade with an unspecified pricetag and UK release date
 
The Quest is still the dogs danglies and now even more so because of its price.

It won't make you happy straight out of the box, you need to learn how to use it. Spend enough time learning how it works to warrent the money you invested in it and you'll find you have a very capable device.

:thumb
 
If it doesn’t have to be bike specific then forget the iPac/PDA, get a smart phone.

Friend of mine got one with his contract it’s a 3G something add to that some software a memory card and a blue tooth GPS receiver and you have it all. He loves it, it’s a hands free phone and GPS in the car or walking and a PDA address book etc as well.

I think he got the phone free with phone tariff/contract but he spent almost £400 on blue tooth receiver, software and memory card. I think TomTom do an all in one solution for smartphones for £200 ( tomtom bluetooth GPS, memory card with TomTom software and maps of the UK )

Allan
 
Hi Gypsy:

Before trying to answer your question, can you tell me a little bit more about how you intend to use the GPSR?

- Primarily for your car, or primarily for your moto?
- Touring on the continent, touring in new places all the time, or generally sticking within 100 miles of home?
- On road or off road (what percentage)?
- What budget would you like to stay within? Don't forget to include VAT, and about USD $60 or so for motorcycle mounting equipment.

Michael
 
Thanks very much Michael for picking up this thread. Much of my onsite reading has been of articles you've written. It's obvious even to me that you have great understanding of the issue. The fact that others on the site defer to you confirms this.
The wife and I both ride, and enjoy touring abroad regularly. I have retired from work, and my wife plans to do so in the near ( ish ) future. Wrinkly ( parent ) issues allowing we then hope to tour extensively around Europe including Eastern Europe on our bikes. In the mean time we will be able to tour twice a year at least. Having just completed Route 66 on a pair of Harleys we have added the USA to our list of possible destinations, and while over the pond hopefully Canada. Admittedly most N America touring is likely to be car based in future due to financial constraints. So car use is important to us also.
Don't think we will venture into Africa, unless part of an organised tour.
On the whole we prefer to plan routes on the PC, but obviously need the facility to change plans when on the move, and it would be nice if possible to do this both on bike and in tent or hotel. We intend carrying appropriate scale maps as well.
I will mount the unit on my Gs1200, but we would obviously like to use it in a car as well.
Don't think we will need to take it with us when walking, and never within 100 miles of home.
Cost is obviously a relevant issue, but not the prime issue. We want a unit that will do what we need, and within reason are happy to pay the going price.
I think that's about it really. Any advice you can give would be appreciated. As for buying timescale, first tour hopefully June next year, and planned to organise fitting when bike seviced prior to this. However timescale at this stage not too critical as we can still manage as we are for the time being.
Thanks in anticipation. Ian
 
Hi Ian:

Based on what you have said above, I recommend that you consider the following issues as you go shopping for a GPSR:

1) Get one that has all the cartography for Europe preloaded into the unit, for example, a 2610 with a big data chip, or 2720. There are also some newer, smaller units that come with all of Europe preloaded - I'm not ruling them out by not mentioning them, I'm just not familiar enough with them to recommend them. There are many other members here who are right on top of developments with the smaller units - I am sure they will add comments. Having all the continent preloaded will save you untold grief worrying about what map segments are on your data chip, and you won't have to lug a laptop around to load the GPSR as you move around. Based on my own touring experience (across Europe every summer, sea to sea), I think the advent of GPSRs that have the whole continent preloaded into them (or can hold the whole continent on a single data chip) has been the most beneficial advance in technology in the last 5 years for touring riders.

2) Get one with a reasonably large screen. If possible, try riding with the GPSR for a day to see how comfortable it is for you to view it and control it. Some of the newer units are very small - this is not a problem if you have the GPSR installed in a car, and you can move it around as you wish, but the GPSRs with a really small screen can be frustrating and difficult to use on a moto, when they are mounted in a fixed position, and you are trying to read the display through a rain-soaked visor. I'm kind of partial to the 26xx and 27xx form factor, but maybe that's just because I'm used to it.

3) I think you probably should confine your product search to the 'pure automotive' GPSRs - these are the ones that generally don't come with batteries in them. Those products are listed here: Garmin / Mobile Electronics / Automotive.

4) Although it sounds almost silly to mention it, be sure to get a GPSR that is waterproof. There are some really innovative, neat new products on the market now, but not all of them are waterproof.

There is, unfortunately, no easy answer for the needs of users who want 'two continents' coverage. Back in 2002, I purchased an initial unlock of CityNavigator Europe for my Americas spec SP III at a cost of about USD $600. That really didn't give me the full capability of an Atlantic SP III, though, and the situation hasn't changed much since then. For that reason, I suggest you not try to get a GPSR you can use on both sides of the Atlantic. Instead, concentrate on getting what is best to meet your needs in Europe, and when you do make those occasional trips to America, either borrow a GPSR from an American owner who has the same one (i.e. you pair up and swap use of your GPSRs when you are in each other's continent), or, just buy a current Americas model new, and sell it on eBay when you are done. Although that sounds extravagant, it will probably be cheaper than buying cartography for both continents.

If I had to make a specific recommendation based on all you have written about your planned use, I would suggest either a 2610 with a 2 gig CF card, or a 2720. The user interface is very different between these two series - almost like the difference between DOS and Windows. Be sure to try both, and try to determine if you have a strong preference for one UI over the other. I don't think that many of the new features that have recently been announced (RDS traffic information, speed camera databases, etc.) would offer much benefit to you - we can split lanes on motos, and it's kind of pointless to try and maintain a database of all the speed cameras in Europe. But, if you plan to use the same GPSR in a car and drive in the urban areas of the UK, those features might have some value to you. They are available with the 27xx series but not the 26xx series.

Michael
 
Michael, thanks very much for your detailed response to my enquiry. I believe it has made my buying decision a lot easier. Now having read other threads comparing 26__ units and 27__ units I think I will plump for a Garmin 2610. It's likely to be early in the new year, and I'll let you know how I get on.
 
Gipsy said:
Michael, thanks very much for your detailed response to my enquiry. I believe it has made my buying decision a lot easier. Now having read other threads comparing 26__ units and 27__ units I think I will plump for a Garmin 2610. It's likely to be early in the new year, and I'll let you know how I get on.

While having a great respect for PanEuropean's knowledge in this area I may still point out that there are different opinions. He is absolutely right about the benefits of having the complete map with you all the time. Only the 27xx and the 26xx can currently do this.

But there are several disadvantages with the 26cc and the 27xx. The 26xx display is almost impossible to read in sunlight and its user interface is hopeless. The 27xx is much better in this case. Both models have very limited memory for routes and traces. Neither of them can log more than half a day of driving.

The Quest gives much better value for the money and most of it's owners finds the rather small display to be quite sufficient.

Many, including myself, finds the 276C to be the best MC GPS made so far. But - of course - it all depends on what you plan to use it for.....
 
HMR makes some good points. Although I have never had any difficulty reading the 26xx in sunlight, there is no doubt about it that the different technology used in the 276, 296 and 396 screens make them much easier to read under ANY lighting conditions.

Since my last post on this thread, Garmin has announced availability of a 512 meg chip for the 2x6 and 396 GPSRs. That changes things quite a bit. You can fit a lot of cartography onto a 512 meg chip. Not enough for a cross-continental tour, but certainly all of the UK, or all of Benelux and a good chunk of France as well.

Personally, I still think that the 'pure automotive' GPSRs - the 26xx and 27xx products - are the best ones for moto touring. However, the 2x6 and 396 are competent products, with a heck of a lot more 'bells and whistles' on them than the pure automotive GPSRs. Whether you need to have a log of your last 50 alert messages (e.g. 'lost satellite reception'), or whether you need to be able to look up the tide table somewhere is another question altogether.

If you are considering a 2x6 or 396 GPSR, be sure to add in the cost of the 512 meg chip and the cost of the automotive cartography (which is NOT supplied with these GPSRs - remember, they are primarily marine or primarily aviation units) when you are comparing costs.

FWIW, I have a 296, and I have a 2650, and a 2720. The 296 is always my third choice for moto use. But, if I am using it for aircraft navigation, it's really handy to be able to load local maps for my destination on it, and then use the same unit in a rental car once I land.

Michael
 


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