What to look for when buying a 1150GS

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Can anyone tell me the important things to look for when buying a R1150GS. i am in the market and would like to have knowledge of the bits that go wrong, areas of concerns and the items that say 'DON'T BUY THIS BIKE!!!!'

I realise the obvious ones of oil around the seals, tyre tread depth, etc etc. but it there is specific to the model I would appreciate your input!

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Others may disagree.. however I would avoid any bike with servo assisted brakes. In fact I wouldn't even bother looking at them.

I want ABS.. and I want 'reliability' in my brakes.. so I would be looking and waiting for a good 1150 made before late 2002.

they pop up for sale all the time.. just a matter of being patient.

If you don't require ABS.. then the year of the bike isn't all that important.. just concentrate on bikes that DON'T HAVE 'Servo'.
 
Oil leaking out of things is generally bad, but not always a deal killer for the right price. Most of the things that can go wrong you won't notice until they go and these are few and far between. On higher mileage bikes rear wheel bearings get a mention (you have to pull them apart and inspect - which you won't be able to do in the dealers yard - but even if they go it's not usually a big job. Leaking around the shaft is not generally thought of highly - usually a seal but it could be something worse, whining gear boxes on +55K bikes has been mentioned a few times (gearbox bearings) but seems relatively rare (but expensive), nasty yellow stains down the right side can indicate fuel leaks, but any of these should have been fixed by now, but the paint work will be permanently marked. Dodgy Halls sensor could cause the bike to run rough and is easy to fix (for a price), but you probably won't be able to tell what it is in the sellers driveway.

Had my 2002 for 4 years now and nought but regular servicing. I have no servo on mine - some like it, some don't and it is an expensive pain to fix, but true failure is relatively rare. ABS is generally good, but also expensive to fix (although failure is rare - usually just a dodgy battery, but check it).

Basically, if it looks tidy and rides tidy, it probably is tidy. These bikes are pretty bomb proof. Give it the usual - start from cold and hot and take it for a long test ride. Then you will buy it like I did...
 
Others may disagree.. however I would avoid any bike with servo assisted brakes. In fact I wouldn't even bother looking at them.

I want ABS.. and I want 'reliability' in my brakes.. so I would be looking and waiting for a good 1150 made before late 2002.

they pop up for sale all the time.. just a matter of being patient.

If you don't require ABS.. then the year of the bike isn't all that important.. just concentrate on bikes that DON'T HAVE 'Servo'.

That's exactly what I used to say, however I'd now strongly disagree:D
Buy the best bike you can find and the servo can always be removed at a later date:thumb
 
That's exactly what I used to say, however I'd now strongly disagree:D
Buy the best bike you can find and the servo can always be removed at a later date:thumb

aye.. and thats the problem I have with the servo bikes... too many 'ifs' and the OP as a newbie may not realise that if you remove the servo.. then you will lose the ABS too you cannot have one without the other.

As I said.. for the OP. ABS may not be an important consideration. But for me it is.

My comment as with any 'what bike' question is answered as if it was ME in that situation. And for me a servo equipped bike wouldn't be on my radar.

just as if it was which 1100? then a pre 97 bike wouldn't be. or even if it were a 1200: a pre 08.
 
My 2cents is buy an 1150 w/ABS w/o Servo, either very high >80,000 miles or very low <5,000 miles means you may have issues unless well serviced. The Golden Rule?

Preferably a garaged vehicle as IMHO those kept outside look shiite and usu have corroded fasteners. Stay away from those plasticky 1200's...

also...take a peak at those pesky KTM's either Adventure 990 or the newer SMT...they seem to depreciate like crazy and used you might get a good deal. The BMW's retain their used values much better (which means less of bargain if you're buying a keeper).

Somebody posted this earlier and I stuck it in my outlook notes. I apologize that I did not keep the name of the 'originator' but it's from UKGSER:

BMW Check List:
the biggest issue is the final drive and swing arm bearings. with the bike on the centrestand, try and rock the rear tire back and forth at the 3/9 o' clock position and the 12/6 o'clock. there shouldn't be any play.

also, check the bike for oil leaks. that means looking underneath it and around the heads and the final drive. even a small oil leak will attract dust.

also check for a worn clutch disc. if you're allowed a test ride try to get the bike in a situation (as on a hill) when you're hard on the throttle. a worn clutch will generally slip under hard load. either high speed and getting on it or up a hill and really working it. try and kick up a little dust. this will help show any oil leak.

of course, do ride safely. i'd hate to hear about a GS in the ditch as your next post.

check the rotors to be sure they aren't all gouged up. check the front forks for an oil leak as well. again-- tell tale dust residue.

you want a cold start-- dead cold, as in the first start of the day-- and a hot start. fully warm (5 bars) let it sit for a minute and start it again. these motors can be slower to start cold. lower to start than any motorcycle i've ever met. there's a lot of mass there and some thick oil, so don't be surprised if it takes two bites at the apple to get it running. you'll want to get it started and rev it gently a few times. it should idle on it's own, both high and low. the starter shouldn't squeal. for the ABS: make sure the lights are flashing upon start up and then, as you roll away, listen for the clunk/clunk which is the front/rear ABS testing itself. as soon as it sees both wheels turning at the same speed, those flashing lights should go out. the clunk/clunk is normal.

also, with it up on the centrestand, get it resting on the back wheel and
move those bars back and forth. you should be able to centre the bars and tap them left and right. they should move smoothly. anything binding or notchy indicates a problem. while you're at it, rock that front wheel at the 3/9 and 12/6 o'clock as well. check for front wheel bearings.

when starting a BMW of our vintage:
turn on the key, listen to the fuel pump waking up. it should sound like a small motor, not especially grinding although unless you know what a good one sounds like, you'll have a hard time telling the difference. make sure you have those tandem flashing ABS lights-- they need to be flashing initially.

there is a small lever on the left switchgear, next to the handgrip on the front side of the bar. lift that small lever up and hold it. this is your fast idle setting. our bikes have FI but not that sophisticated an FI to set a fast idle. hit the starter on the right side (red button) and only crank for 2-3 seconds. if it doesn't catch (and if it's the first start of the day, it may not) hit it again, 2-3 seconds. it should fire up. release that lever. look for the oil light to go out. it may be just a split second for the light to go out and the motor might be a bit louder as the oil circulates. if it takes more than a second to go out, you might start to think... gently rev it (gently) and after three or four gentle revs it should high idle on it's own.

these are not bikes you want to let sit and idle. once it's running fine, click it into gear. sometimes they need a little bit of clutch to click into first, don't be shocked. hold the shifter down a let the clutch out a tiny bit. as soon as the bike clicks into first squeeze the clutch fully again. as you ride and the bike heats up, wait until it's warmed (2 bars on the display ought to do it) and push that little lever on your left switch gear down fully. now you have normal idle which should be 1100 (+/- 50). sometimes poorly running bikes can be made to seem to run better by bumping up the idle. ride that thing long enough to get it to 5 bars (which is normal hot operating temp). then shut it down. wait 30 secs or a minute, and start it again. doesn't matter if it's one second, one minute, or 5 minutes, it should restart without issue. you only need to use that high idle lever when the bike is cold.

the vibrations on a boxer motor are unlike any i've experienced before, so be prepared for an odd side-to-side vibe. it's not bad or unsettling, just a bit odd. oilheads make more noise than water cooled motors. obviously, a bike that can heat up really hot-- imagine being stuck in the sand, working your motor, no air flow over the heads, the heat builds quickly-- neads to have more tolerance in the motor than a bike which runs 160 or 195 degrees most of the time.

try to get used to the odd switchgear. i love the turn signals now, even though i found them odd initially. now i think they are tops. i still can't find the fucking horn, though. i've hit the starter, the left turn signal, etc looking for the horn.
 
As said before by my learned colleagues - Don't let a servo put you off, you can remove them relatively cheaply (you will lose abs though). The benefit from the later servo 1150s are that they are twin spark which gives a smoother run at lower revs (allegedly).

I wouldn't bother too much with bolt on farkles, but the ones worth having are :

1. Luggage (so many types depending on taste, but all about £300-500 for the three boxes & fittings.
2. HID lights - the best upgrade I have made on mine.
3. Adventure tank - especially useful when touring.

Condition (exterior) would play a part but don't use it as a deal breaker - my bike is in continual use (100 mile round trip per day) and has corroded bits all over but mechanically is perfect. I would rather have a high mileage but scruffy well looked after bike, than a shiny old nail. - Saying that, you may be lucky and get a minter.

Depending on the age you will always get bikes with a bit of 'history' but everything is sortable and unless it is major engine or gearbox problems shouldn't be too expensive. If you buy a bike from a regular on the forum then it is likely that it would be honestly described as they are unlikely to sh*t on their own doorstep.
 
Others may disagree.... just concentrate on bikes that DON'T HAVE 'Servo'.

Yep, completely disagree :P

Five year old 1150 GSA with servo and ABS.

Wouldn't be without the ABS under any circumstances, it's a life saver :eek

Would like the ability to switch off the servo when I'm off road but the bias of my riding is on road and they are great for that. :thumb2

Never had a failure on mine and haven't actually met anyone who has. I've met plenty who will tell you horror stories about what 'might happen if' something fails :blast

Buy the best bike you can afford, then slowly change it to suit your exact needs, don't buy the bike somone elsethinks you should have :thumb
 
Yep, completely disagree :P

Five year old 1150 GSA with servo and ABS.

Wouldn't be without the ABS under any circumstances, it's a life saver :eek

Would like the ability to switch off the servo when I'm off road but the bias of my riding is on road and they are great for that. :thumb2

Never had a failure on mine and haven't actually met anyone who has. I've met plenty who will tell you horror stories about what 'might happen if' something fails :blast

Buy the best bike you can afford, then slowly change it to suit your exact needs, don't buy the bike somone elsethinks you should have :thumb

just enter 'servo' into the search thing and see how many members have had problems.

you say "Wouldn't be without the ABS under any circumstances, it's a life saver!

I completely agree.. and thats precisely why I wouldn't touch a servo equipped bike. Because if/when it does go wrong then you have two choices. try to replace it at huge cost. £900 is I believe the price for a new unit.. or you can hunt around for a second hander.. or your second choice is the lose the whole caboodle and lose your ABS too.

I find it fascinating.. and very telling that BMW (I believe) produced a kit to make its removal a tidy affair... seems they recognised that removal was a serious issue... even if some owners who haven't had a fault, so far - do not.

This may turn out to be pointless speculation. the OP may not be bothered about servo or abs.. or indeed may not be bothered in the slightest by the thought of it going wrong and the expense and inconvenience involved in getting it repaired/replaced.

The 1150 was only in production for 4 years.. so the OP will have plenty of choice on both sides. servo or non-servo. I know where my choice would be. Exercise a little patience and wait for the right NON-servo bike to appear.

because.. just like you - I Wouldn't be without the ABS under any circumstances, it's a life saver. :thumb
 
My 2cents is buy an 1150 w/ABS w/o Servo, either very high >80,000 miles or very low <5,000 miles means you may have issues unless well serviced. The Golden Rule?

Preferably a garaged vehicle as IMHO those kept outside look shiite and usu have corroded fasteners. Stay away from those plasticky 1200's...

also...take a peak at those pesky KTM's either Adventure 990 or the newer SMT...they seem to depreciate like crazy and used you might get a good deal. The BMW's retain their used values much better (which means less of bargain if you're buying a keeper).

Somebody posted this earlier and I stuck it in my outlook notes. I apologize that I did not keep the name of the 'originator' but it's from UKGSER:

BMW Check List:
the biggest issue is the final drive and swing arm bearings. with the bike on the centrestand, try and rock the rear tire back and forth at the 3/9 o' clock position and the 12/6 o'clock. there shouldn't be any play.

also, check the bike for oil leaks. that means looking underneath it and around the heads and the final drive. even a small oil leak will attract dust.

also check for a worn clutch disc. if you're allowed a test ride try to get the bike in a situation (as on a hill) when you're hard on the throttle. a worn clutch will generally slip under hard load. either high speed and getting on it or up a hill and really working it. try and kick up a little dust. this will help show any oil leak.

of course, do ride safely. i'd hate to hear about a GS in the ditch as your next post.

check the rotors to be sure they aren't all gouged up. check the front forks for an oil leak as well. again-- tell tale dust residue.

you want a cold start-- dead cold, as in the first start of the day-- and a hot start. fully warm (5 bars) let it sit for a minute and start it again. these motors can be slower to start cold. lower to start than any motorcycle i've ever met. there's a lot of mass there and some thick oil, so don't be surprised if it takes two bites at the apple to get it running. you'll want to get it started and rev it gently a few times. it should idle on it's own, both high and low. the starter shouldn't squeal. for the ABS: make sure the lights are flashing upon start up and then, as you roll away, listen for the clunk/clunk which is the front/rear ABS testing itself. as soon as it sees both wheels turning at the same speed, those flashing lights should go out. the clunk/clunk is normal.

also, with it up on the centrestand, get it resting on the back wheel and
move those bars back and forth. you should be able to centre the bars and tap them left and right. they should move smoothly. anything binding or notchy indicates a problem. while you're at it, rock that front wheel at the 3/9 and 12/6 o'clock as well. check for front wheel bearings.

when starting a BMW of our vintage:
turn on the key, listen to the fuel pump waking up. it should sound like a small motor, not especially grinding although unless you know what a good one sounds like, you'll have a hard time telling the difference. make sure you have those tandem flashing ABS lights-- they need to be flashing initially.

there is a small lever on the left switchgear, next to the handgrip on the front side of the bar. lift that small lever up and hold it. this is your fast idle setting. our bikes have FI but not that sophisticated an FI to set a fast idle. hit the starter on the right side (red button) and only crank for 2-3 seconds. if it doesn't catch (and if it's the first start of the day, it may not) hit it again, 2-3 seconds. it should fire up. release that lever. look for the oil light to go out. it may be just a split second for the light to go out and the motor might be a bit louder as the oil circulates. if it takes more than a second to go out, you might start to think... gently rev it (gently) and after three or four gentle revs it should high idle on it's own.

these are not bikes you want to let sit and idle. once it's running fine, click it into gear. sometimes they need a little bit of clutch to click into first, don't be shocked. hold the shifter down a let the clutch out a tiny bit. as soon as the bike clicks into first squeeze the clutch fully again. as you ride and the bike heats up, wait until it's warmed (2 bars on the display ought to do it) and push that little lever on your left switch gear down fully. now you have normal idle which should be 1100 (+/- 50). sometimes poorly running bikes can be made to seem to run better by bumping up the idle. ride that thing long enough to get it to 5 bars (which is normal hot operating temp). then shut it down. wait 30 secs or a minute, and start it again. doesn't matter if it's one second, one minute, or 5 minutes, it should restart without issue. you only need to use that high idle lever when the bike is cold.

the vibrations on a boxer motor are unlike any i've experienced before, so be prepared for an odd side-to-side vibe. it's not bad or unsettling, just a bit odd. oilheads make more noise than water cooled motors. obviously, a bike that can heat up really hot-- imagine being stuck in the sand, working your motor, no air flow over the heads, the heat builds quickly-- neads to have more tolerance in the motor than a bike which runs 160 or 195 degrees most of the time.

try to get used to the odd switchgear. i love the turn signals now, even though i found them odd initially. now i think they are tops. i still can't find the fucking horn, though. i've hit the starter, the left turn signal, etc looking for the horn.

A good post worthy of being stickied :thumb
 
just enter 'servo' into the search thing and see how many members have had problems.

I think if you read the threads the vast majority are centred around one or two incidents. There are plenty of servo assisted bikes out there happily coming to a safe stop on a regular basis. :nenau

If you remove the servo all you are left with is the residual brakes that you had in the first place :blast
 
the starter shouldn't squeal.

:( I have a squealy starter, I think.

Anyway, on this servo/ABS thing, I don't really understand why you need them on a bike with such good engine braking and stability. I think I'm using less braking, in general, than on any bike I've owned.
 
Ride it, and if you like it buy it. :thumb

Buy the second bike you look at.
The first you'll see will give you an idea, and you can see what to expect.
The second bike you see you'll notice more and you can compare the ride to the first one.
The third one you see you'll be comparing everything to the first and second bikes and you'll be unable to make your mind up.
The fourth bike will just confuse you even more, and so on and so on.

So buy the second bike and save yourself all the buggering about.
 


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