Not being funny SS, but if the disk was "well within Hondas tolerances" just 8 months ago ... unless you've been doing some serious commuting miles every day since then, why did it crack?
Why Pan Euros crash...
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roddy
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if it live's outside, would the abnormally low temps we had during Jan/Feb cause a weaking of the disc ?
Paul Rochdale
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"My experience with Japanese bikes (mostly Honda and most recently Pan Euros) is that they do rust very quickly unless protected".
To reiterate, my ten year old Pan is mint because I look after it, clean and polish it regularly and do all my own maintenance. Even if I were to leave it outdoors for a month, it would never look in that state. To my mind, unless you hit something to cause the disc to crack, excessive heat caused it to crack and that could have been as the result of sticking brake pads.
Pans are one of the most reliable bikes on the road, I've done about 70,000 miles on mine. It's not a matter of ridiculing you, or scoring points. That picture of the front of the bike says it all.
To reiterate, my ten year old Pan is mint because I look after it, clean and polish it regularly and do all my own maintenance. Even if I were to leave it outdoors for a month, it would never look in that state. To my mind, unless you hit something to cause the disc to crack, excessive heat caused it to crack and that could have been as the result of sticking brake pads.
Pans are one of the most reliable bikes on the road, I've done about 70,000 miles on mine. It's not a matter of ridiculing you, or scoring points. That picture of the front of the bike says it all.
D6
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no..............
Montrose Sun
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Kinda setting yourself up there for a right pasting id say! 
simemus
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Better put your disc lock on the other side now...
it wisnae me
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your bike is a credit to you
you should have no problem in selling it.
you should have no problem in selling it.
I think the lesson here is that if you don't maintain the bike yourself and rely on someone else to do it at extended intervals then the whole point of cleaning it - at most once a fortnight - is to spot problems like this occurring.
Having a bike in a shitty state isn't 'cool' - its asking for trouble unless you regularly give it a visual once over regularly.
Brake discs don't 'just crack' overnight - they need extreme temperature cycles or excessive force.
Having a bike in a shitty state isn't 'cool' - its asking for trouble unless you regularly give it a visual once over regularly.
Brake discs don't 'just crack' overnight - they need extreme temperature cycles or excessive force.
skinnersscotch
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"To reiterate, my ten year old Pan is mint because I look after it, clean and polish it regularly and do all my own maintenance."
Says it all really. I am not a mechanic, don't have a garage to keep my Pan nice and warm, dry and frost free, and when you get home at midnight after a hard shift in the middle of winter kinda difficult to gather the energy to go and find a powerwasher to clean it.
The Pan is a good bike yes, but it is one with corrosion issues, trust me, and not just mine.
Says it all really. I am not a mechanic, don't have a garage to keep my Pan nice and warm, dry and frost free, and when you get home at midnight after a hard shift in the middle of winter kinda difficult to gather the energy to go and find a powerwasher to clean it.
The Pan is a good bike yes, but it is one with corrosion issues, trust me, and not just mine.
Paul Rochdale
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"but it is one with corrosion issues, trust me, and not just mine".
Umm I think not. As has been said before, taking a pride in keeping a bike clean shows up problems as they occur. Thousands of Pan owners would disagree with you about 'corrosion issues'.
Umm I think not. As has been said before, taking a pride in keeping a bike clean shows up problems as they occur. Thousands of Pan owners would disagree with you about 'corrosion issues'.
I think some of you guys are being a bit harsh on SS. Use your bikes for a couple of weeks in the middle of winter then leave them outside for a month without cleaning it and see how it looks.You may be surprised how quickly rust gets hold of poor quality material
Col
Col
Uinneag
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Here Ian maist tossers in here have heated garages and are analy cleaning there bikes after every 3mile ride out and have no comprehension of riding a bike all year round and they are all mechanics.
I put a pic on with my bike with rusty disc bolt and all the queens came out with comments
I put a pic on with my bike with rusty disc bolt and all the queens came out with comments
I think some of you guys are being a bit harsh on SS. Use your bikes for a couple of weeks in the middle of winter then leave them outside for a month without cleaning it and see how it looks.You may be surprised how quickly rust gets hold of poor quality material
Col
Had a look under my T Max last night
Furry bolts rusty pipes furry alloy engine !! Used everyday rain or shine and cleaned every week ,ACF'd etc and Garaged i guess it too would be fecked in a few years if it lived outside ,cleaned up nice now though!!skinnersscotch
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One of the first things Honda delaers look for when considering taking a Pan European as a part exchange is corrosion. John Robertson, one time racing team owner and garage manager of Two Wheels in Edinburgh makes that quite clear. The Pan European has corrosion issues with its swingarm. It may not be noticable on a day to day riding basis and without a proper inspection the corrosion may not be noticed, but perforation rust will require the replacement of the swingarm, an expensive job.
Where is John now? He is working at BMW Motorrad! So he knows what he is talking about.
The Pan is a good bike. The engine is almost unburstable, the running gear and electrics are reliable and it is super comfortable. However, there are failings. And rememebr that most of the thousands of happy owners change them after a few years. Mine was 3 years old when I got it.
I have not heard of any Pan, badly treated or carefully nursed through life, to have a cracked disc. It is the original disc and the crack is not a corrosion issue (although it is now has surface rust, like the rest of the disc).
Those who want to criticise how I maintain my bike might like to help me fund and build a new centrally heated storage facility for it.....cleaning it does not always work!
I suppose I could avoid going to work in bad weather.......
Where is John now? He is working at BMW Motorrad! So he knows what he is talking about.
The Pan is a good bike. The engine is almost unburstable, the running gear and electrics are reliable and it is super comfortable. However, there are failings. And rememebr that most of the thousands of happy owners change them after a few years. Mine was 3 years old when I got it.
I have not heard of any Pan, badly treated or carefully nursed through life, to have a cracked disc. It is the original disc and the crack is not a corrosion issue (although it is now has surface rust, like the rest of the disc).
Those who want to criticise how I maintain my bike might like to help me fund and build a new centrally heated storage facility for it.....cleaning it does not always work!
I suppose I could avoid going to work in bad weather.......
skinnersscotch
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Anyway, to stop the slanging match back and forth.......
As I have previously said I did not put this post on to gather the opinions of self-righteous people, oir the understanding and sympathy of anyone.
I put this post on to show those brave and hardy souls who brought their bikes out onto muddy, salty late winter roads what actually caused me to crash.
That's all. Facts, not opionions.
As I have previously said I did not put this post on to gather the opinions of self-righteous people, oir the understanding and sympathy of anyone.
I put this post on to show those brave and hardy souls who brought their bikes out onto muddy, salty late winter roads what actually caused me to crash.
That's all. Facts, not opionions.
Klanky
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I haven't cleaned my 08 bike for three weeks now. It is covered in mud and crap off the road. Also, there are distinct signs of surface corrosion on some bolt heads.
I am now worried that not polishing my bike could endanger myself and other road users.
Should I sell the bike or just park it up until July?
I can think of loads of bikes that were manky and covered in rust when I was bike couriering (is that a word?), yet were mechanically sound. My CX's included.
Anyway. SS - maybe the cracked disc was an effect of the crash and not the cause? Just a thought.
I am now worried that not polishing my bike could endanger myself and other road users.
Should I sell the bike or just park it up until July?
I can think of loads of bikes that were manky and covered in rust when I was bike couriering (is that a word?), yet were mechanically sound. My CX's included.
Anyway. SS - maybe the cracked disc was an effect of the crash and not the cause? Just a thought.
Deleted account rno
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Here Ian maist tossers in here have heated garages and are analy cleaning there bikes after every 3mile ride out and have no comprehension of riding a bike all year round and they are all mechanics.
I put a pic on with my bike with rusty disc bolt and all the queens came out with comments
Yer right.
Scotchskinner just has tae park his bike in his driveway alongside his car...
Deleted account rno
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You obviously dinnae understand the workings of the SS. If you cannae take a guid piss take (or slagging), you'll get a trifle upset in here
skinnersscotch
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Fair comment Ronno, point taken.
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