Yes or no. Scottish residents only please

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Bennysdad said:
I have just come back from a week in Northamptonshire... was shocked at the level of resentment about the whole process... uncertainty... will hit their pension funds, mortgage rate... job prospects... our fellow UK citizens are going to start regarding all Scots with the same loathing they currently reserve for bankers...
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This is the first time I've seen this put into words and you are right. There's a huge resentment amongst the general population about the way this is being handled. Salmond comes across as a nasty greedy person, deliberately stirring up ill-feeling against the English.

If the divorce goes ahead, everything negative that comes down the line is going to get blamed on Scotland. It will be the most divisive thing that has happened to our united kingdom since the (English) civil war and the resentment against the pariah state will last generations.

Perhaps Scotland had better brush the dust off the Auld Alliance (if France is interested).

Yes you can hate Margaret Thatcher for the poll tax but we hate Gordon Brown for what he did to private pensions (far, far worse).
 
Tim Cullis said:
This is the first time I've seen this put into words and you are right. There's a huge resentment amongst the general population about the way this is being handled. Salmond comes across as a nasty greedy person, deliberately stirring up ill-feeling against the English.

If the divorce goes ahead, everything negative that comes down the line is going to get blamed on Scotland. It will be the most divisive thing that has happened to our united kingdom since the (English) civil war and the resentment against the pariah state will last generations.

Perhaps Scotland had better brush the dust off the Auld Alliance (if France is interested).

Yes you can hate Margaret Thatcher for the poll tax but we hate Gordon Brown for what he did to private pensions (far, far worse).
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The whole thing has been handled terribly with no consultation from the vast majority of the UK: the English. Now we have Gordon Broon (one of the most despised people in England who has only been to Westminster 3 times since 2010) giving and offering this and that to the Scots at the expense of the English and not even asking the English what they feel about the new look UK. How can it be right that maybe 2 million people (that includes foreign nationals staying in Scotland and half a million welfare dependent Scots who are only interested in more handouts) will break up a union of 60 million people, 55 million of which have had no say in what happens to their country.
The whole thing has turned into a croc of shit and anyone who thinks there won't be years of resentment and bitter chaotic argument probably believes every word Salmon says, is deluded or probably both.
Certainly the vast majority of my social circle in the south west of England want rid of Scotland from England. Unhappy times ahead.
 
Tim Cullis said:
Yes you can hate Margaret Thatcher for the poll tax but we hate Gordon Brown for what he did to private pensions (far, far worse).
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I totally agree that Brown is responsible amongst other things for the private pensions. It makes you wonder why he should be trusted now when he is rolled out by the Better Together campain. He only became PM by default and that was another disastrous event.
 
Jazbee said:
................I'm afraid being ruled by a political party with one MP in our country and who no one votes for is completely undemocratic and is not acceptable anymore in this country?....................................
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That is partly nonsense. I MP is correct but a lot of people voted Conservative in Scotland at the last general election, very similar numbers as voted for LidDems and SNP. Labour were streets ahead its true but the next three parties had around a third of the non Labour vote each. In a system of proportional representation for each 10 MP's you'd have got about 4 Labour and 2 each Lib Dem, SNP and Conservative. Labour makes the biggest promises to the working man so gets the votes. The fact that they then ruin the country financially in an attempt to support their rash promises doesn't impinge on the conciousness or conscience or those targeted. Two consecutive terms in office for a Labour administration has only happened twice in the history of the UK, each time the country was left virtually bankrupt. The last bunch left such a mess that our children and maybe even grandchildren will be left to clear it up. France is "enjoying" the same effect of socialism just now.

An independent Scotland, assuming we are lucky enough to be refused admission to the EU, will be no different. As soon as the dust settles and we have a general election it will be bye bye SNP and hello socialists, spend, spend, spend, spend; oops the piggy bank is empty and we can't pay civil servants or pensioners. And that is why the politicians that represent Ruk are saying no to currency union. Yes we can use the Sterling Pound, just like Hong Kong uses the US Dollar, we just won't have any say or influence over its value or the associated central bank facility to adjust the currency value to suit our economic climate.
 
As a Brit living in England I am content that after Scottish independence things this side of the border will be OK, much the same as before. A little tweak here and there. Scottish GDP £250Billion. UK GDP £2250 Billion. (ratio 1:9).

I am firmly of the opinion that Scotland has the potential to become a rich and prosperous nation on it's own. However, it's all in the time line.

For the average worker in Scotland the run up to independence and beyond are likely to be quite bleak. Rising prices, lowering of job security, social unrest and all the other stuff that comes with secession.

Businesses will start to separate out the 'Scottish only' parts and adjusting prices to make sure they are sustainable. Food distribution, Energy supply, Postage, Telephone, Television, etc, Any service where the costs of delivery over the vast rural area of Scotland has up until now been absorbed will start to see price rises. These costs will start to filter in prior to independence. Businesses are after all in it to make money and are not charities. Some businesses may even feel that for now Scotland is not profitable, leaving to come back when times are more prosperous. This will be a great time for profiteering, making money in the confusion and uncertainty. When all this starts to happen, it is likely to lead to civil unrest, this is likely to halt or delay progress to the promised land, and I doubt Wee Eck will remain in power for long.
 
An observation made on another forum is that there is little input from Wales or Northern Ireland.

The question posed then is does that mean only England and Westminster want the union to survive with Wales and Northern Ireland sitting with their fingers crossed hoping for a yes vote so they can go the same way?

No matter what happens on Thursday the UK will undergo serious change if it wants to prosper and maintain if not regain it's place in the world in general.
 
Yesmas Eve

Well, we are almost there. Its been 'interesting'.

I dont think most of you English readers realise the tension and excitement up here. You will NEVER experience anything like this.

I dearly hope we will win the vote, but nobody has any clues as to the possible outcome.

There have been overwhelming scenes of thousands of happy 'yes' supporters at numerous locations all over Scotland. Mass support from a rally of Catalans in Spain. Very little of which has been shown on the mainstream media.
It is obvious that most of the 'No' support have been quietly sitting at home.
 
Den said:
Well, we are almost there. Its been 'interesting'.

I dont think most of you English readers realise the tension and excitement up here. You will NEVER experience anything like this.

I dearly hope we will win the vote, but nobody has any clues as to the possible outcome.

There have been overwhelming scenes of thousands of happy 'yes' supporters at numerous locations all over Scotland. Mass support from a rally of Catalans in Spain. Very little of which has been shown on the mainstream media.
It is obvious that most of the 'No' support have been quietly sitting at home.
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Don't forget to move your money/investments/pension to english based banks /institutions just in case you get your little hearts desire
 
Den said:
Well, we are almost there. Its been 'interesting'.

I dont think most of you English readers realise the tension and excitement up here. You will NEVER experience anything like this.

I dearly hope we will win the vote, but nobody has any clues as to the possible outcome.

There have been overwhelming scenes of thousands of happy 'yes' supporters at numerous locations all over Scotland. Mass support from a rally of Catalans in Spain. Very little of which has been shown on the mainstream media.
It is obvious that most of the 'No' support have been quietly sitting at home.
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Good luck to Scotland. Whatever happens tomorrow the union is now dead and it is a case of sooner will be better then later for the UK and Scotland to break up.
 
seems appropriate
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And having posted the above as a bit of a jest (although i do lil the black bear) i am reminded of the Scots Guards advancing up tumbledown with the pipes leading the way. What must the Argies have tough seeing the devils in Skirts advancing on a fortified mountain playing fucking bagpipes ! Only the jocks but how bloody brave <iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/16MqXT4-kA0?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
redrick said:
And having posted the above as a bit of a jest (although i do lil the black bear) i am reminded of the Scots Guards advancing up tumbledown with the pipes leading the way. What must the Argies have tough seeing the devils in Skirts advancing on a fortified mountain playing fucking bagpipes ! Only the jocks but how bloody brave <iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/16MqXT4-kA0?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Erm......you might want to check in to that ;)

After the battle, Pipe Major James Riddell of 2 SG stood near the top of the mountain and played his bagpipes. He played a quick march he had composed "on the back of a fag packet" [cigarette pack],[22] during the battle, following a long tradition in which Pipe Majors were encouraged "to write tunes to commemorate any actions in which their regiments have been engaged".[23][24] He named the tune The Crags of Tumbledown Mountain. It was released as a single by the Pipes and Drums of 2SG a year later.[23]:)
 
Fanum said:
Erm......you might want to check in to that ;)

After the battle, Pipe Major James Riddell of 2 SG stood near the top of the mountain and played his bagpipes. He played a quick march he had composed "on the back of a fag packet" [cigarette pack],[22] during the battle, following a long tradition in which Pipe Majors were encouraged "to write tunes to commemorate any actions in which their regiments have been engaged".[23][24] He named the tune The Crags of Tumbledown Mountain. It was released as a single by the Pipes and Drums of 2SG a year later.[23]:)
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Probably a load of bollocks but was told to me by some scots gurdsnen on a course and i like the story and want it to be true so no i won't check it
 
redrick said:
Probably a load of bollocks but was told to me by some scots gurdsnen on a course and i like the story and want it to be true so no i won't check it
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Now you sound like a yes voter; well I like the story,and I want it to be true.
 
Den said:
Well, we are almost there. Its been 'interesting'.

I dont think most of you English readers realise the tension and excitement up here. You will NEVER experience anything like this.

I dearly hope we will win the vote, but nobody has any clues as to the possible outcome.

There have been overwhelming scenes of thousands of happy 'yes' supporters at numerous locations all over Scotland. Mass support from a rally of Catalans in Spain. Very little of which has been shown on the mainstream media.
It is obvious that most of the 'No' support have been quietly sitting at home.
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I'm watching and your quite right its getting exciting. In 2 years we shall celebrate 100 years of Independence wishing you all best of luck for tomorrow. No one really knows what Monday will bring if a Yes vote does succeed people will be scared I just hope that being scared doesn't change their thinking come polling day.
I was quite amused that Sky News seen fit to come to Dublin last week and ask how we are coping now we are independent of the Union its only been 98 years since the 1916 Rising
 
It's funny but as I was coming home yesterday, I was thinking there is something in the air tonight. Lots of people out with YES & NO placards on the high street and on the A9. I've never seen such passion in the political scene like this before. I've been in Scotland for over 10 years now, and really wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Whatever the outcome, Salmond has won the day, and shown those monkeys from Westminster what a bunch of shysters they really are.
 
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