Rigormortis
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My thoughts exactly, if only the politicians could be taken out of the equation.
Yes or no. Scottish residents only please
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My thoughts exactly, if only the politicians could be taken out of the equation.
Mr K
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Latest poll gives 43% Yes, 57% No.
The gap is closing.........this could frickin well happen.
Lets hope for pishy weather on the night.
Are you hoping for a result that isn't representative?
I'm not sure where you get that nonsense from other than it's another attempt to somehow justify your prejudice. It implies that being governed by a right-wing party or coalition of parties based in Westminster would, somehow, be preferable and to be frank, that's madness.
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Sorry, can't agree with you. Far rather be governed from Westminster than by this bunch of chancers. I'm surprised you think you can trust them, but there we are. It'll be too late by the time you realise your mistake. Prejudice against fools? Guess you are right.
Well that's obvious but don't try and justify it with quasi-rational reasoning. Oh well never mind....
but don't try and justify it with quasi-rational reasoning. Oh well never mind....
Oh FFS.......... How the fuck did you get to own a big expensive house?
Mind your own business. Actually that applies to the whole of this thread.
Actually it doesn't...... Sorry but fuck you and all the other Nats trying to shut down free speech because it suits your cause. One thing I learnt long ago is wealth and brains don't go hand in hand.
Rubbish. Why is he not allowed to express an opinion? He can't vote but are you saying he shouldn't have a voice? What nonsense.
All the usual tricks from the indie nutters....everybody's wrong but us, if you have different views they are 'prejudice', shout down every-one who disagrees, 'quasi-rational reasoning' ....lordy, big(empty) words....are we meant to be impressed or intimidated? Please explain the difference between opinion and prejudice? Luckily, my opinion....sorry prejudice...appears at the moment to be the majority view....hopefully it will remain thus.
Apart from disrespecting the terms of the thread as posted by Den at the outset (but that's not reall a surprise), I've said it before, the Internet has created a myth that everyone's opinion is valuable. It isn't. The only ones that are valuable are those that are borne out of intelligence, experience, maturity, kindness, tolerance and liberalism. Besides which as someone who doesn't have a vote, his and all the other opinions of people who are not resident in Scotland are, in this context, nothing more than hot air. The only productive debate might be between people who are entitled to vote and in this case that doesn't apply because there's little prospect of anyone changing their views. However, I think you might benefit from examining your reasons for voting no. Insight is often the road to change.
You do realise that with a bit of luck, Scotland, and the rest of the planet will still be here many many years after who you refer to as, 'a bunch of chancers' are dead and gone.
Are you suggesting that Scotland is incapable of ever producing people capable of successfully running our small, fertile,oil rich, educated,established,peaceful historic country? Or, if it were a different set of people in government at the moment, you would fully support independence? Would you Gerry?? Tell me, what present person (who is not a chancer) would you trust to take us to independence? Anyone? ... you have 5 million to choose from. Or can Scotland only produce chancers? If you cant come up with someone you would trust to run it, you are insulting a whole country of people.
Individuals are here but for a short time in the political spotlight. Even your great Thatcher will be a stinking rotten mess by now (she always was of course) and new faces with the capacity to lead will come along.
We have produced a disproportionate share of top politicians from Scotland considering our smallish population. I'm sure this will continue.
Of course, .... and it WILL happen, Boris will be a prime minister, of either the UK, or England. I would rather it was the latter
Now getting into good debate 
So far it has seemed to me to be very parochial AND short termist
Most of us on this forum are mid aged guy,s ,I myself MIGHT live another 20 years
So this is NOT really about us, I personally ,recon to be poorer off financially if the YES goes through , but that is not a reason IMHO not to grasp the opportunity.
How many countries have been born/ reborn without a shot being fired or a pint of blood being spilled ?
Now is not a time to be timid over a few quid and potentially a bit of personal inconvenience
IMHO we owe it to the generations coming after us to give them their own destiny
So far it has seemed to me to be very parochial AND short termist
Most of us on this forum are mid aged guy,s ,I myself MIGHT live another 20 years
So this is NOT really about us, I personally ,recon to be poorer off financially if the YES goes through , but that is not a reason IMHO not to grasp the opportunity.
How many countries have been born/ reborn without a shot being fired or a pint of blood being spilled ?
Now is not a time to be timid over a few quid and potentially a bit of personal inconvenience
IMHO we owe it to the generations coming after us to give them their own destiny
Now getting into good debate
So far it has seemed to me to be very parochial AND short termist
Most of us on this forum are mid aged guy,s ,I myself MIGHT live another 20 years
So this is NOT really about us, I personally ,recon to be poorer off financially if the YES goes through , but that is not a reason IMHO not to grasp the opportunity.
How many countries have been born/ reborn without a shot being fired or a pint of blood being spilled ?
Now is not a time to be timid over a few quid and potentially a bit of personal inconvenience
IMHO we owe it to the generations coming after us to give them their own destiny
Yer a guid man Symon. Let's hope there's a lot mair like ye oan the day.
Sorry Den, you've gone off on one. Scotland will be always here of course..hopefully as part of the United Kingdom. The mess that will ensue if eck and the accolytes get to run it will last for ever.
The bunch of chancers I refer to is our present government...those who will be taking us to independence in the unlikely event that the scottish electorate vote for it.
I didn't say that there was no-one capable of leading us to independence, but I agree with you...there is no 'present person' I would trust enough. Maybe there will be one day and we....the majority... will be confident enough in their ability to change our minds. I would happily vote for independence were there a sound case. There isn't.
I, and it would seem the majority, do not have that confidence. And the SNP have ably demonstrated we are correct....they have had 50 years to prepare and have failed to give us a workable vision.
You are right. Scotland has produced more than its share of top politicians. Oddly they are all against independence. Go figure?
The bunch of chancers I refer to is our present government...those who will be taking us to independence in the unlikely event that the scottish electorate vote for it.
I didn't say that there was no-one capable of leading us to independence, but I agree with you...there is no 'present person' I would trust enough. Maybe there will be one day and we....the majority... will be confident enough in their ability to change our minds. I would happily vote for independence were there a sound case. There isn't.
I, and it would seem the majority, do not have that confidence. And the SNP have ably demonstrated we are correct....they have had 50 years to prepare and have failed to give us a workable vision.
You are right. Scotland has produced more than its share of top politicians. Oddly they are all against independence. Go figure?
Because most of them buggered off to Westminster to further their careers which is both an indictment of them and of the way that Scotland has been neglected in the Union. They're now against Independence either because it's what their political masters have dictated and/or they want to continue furthering their own careers in the whole rotten, stinking system. It's not rocket science, now is it?
Or there again , they may just be as passionate as you about their beliefs.
The vote is for the Scott's but the outcome will affect all so all opinions should be welcomed and Den has shown that he is happy to move the agenda to how it will affect all - I'm referring to that video he posted where that old chap is quite happy talking about the what it will mean for the non Scott's, the ones without a vote.
Nearly as naive as thinking independence is allowing....wanting even....another country to be in charge of fiscal policy. Bizarre.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......
KAYCEE
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DEN,
After enjoying your posts for a fair number of years, I would happily nominated YOU
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