zumo v gpsmap60csx

[cookie]

i currently have a gpsmap60csx which replaced a 2610. this is what i like about it:

almost infinitely configurable. huge possibilities for stats, trips etc. in any place i want them.

small. just slips in a pocket when i'm off bike.

battery powered. use it occasionally on other bikes, and don't faff around with wires.

simple mount, that transfers easily between bikes. no wires bolted in at the back of a complex mount.

it's not a zumo.

this what i don't like:

small, dim screen, with poorly contrasting colours (not as shown on garmin website, in fact). didn't factor in failing close up vision when i bought it

slow calculation, slow redraw.

very limited route options. "shortest" or "fastest", and choose fastest, and it conveniently avoids any vias set in the route

but what i hate about it, in fact what makes me want to absolutely dash it's stupid little processor into silicone dust, is the way a route carefully planned in mapsource is necessarily "recalculated" by the unit making it quite different from what i'd planned on the computer

i know i can address the screen issue if i switch to a zumo, and that i'll have to endure the zumo's complicated mount (i don't want audio, mp3, phone, sky etc.), have to look at it's fisher price graphics with a stupid little motorbike wobbling down the road but i need to know, does a zumo "activate" a route like my old 2610, or "recalculate" ie. stuff it the fcuk up, like my gpsmap does?

i've downloaded the zumo manual, but i'm still not sure. i fear the latter though. in which case, why bother with mapsource at all?

 

[Fanum]

Get a Rino 53HCx

 

[cookie]

Get a Rino 53HCx

isn't that just a gpsmap60 with two way radio?

 

[cookie]

bump.

does no-one know how zumo's handle downloaded routes?

 

[John Armstrong]

bump.

does no-one know how zumo's handle downloaded routes?

When you download the routes to a Zumo it stores it ready to be used. So you then "import" the route into the area where you ask the Zumo to follow a route. It then does say "recalculating", but I don't know how this affects the route. Hopefully it'll be the same as on Mapsource as, AFAIK, the Zumo on the current software, doesn't "learn" how fast you go on certain routes.

 

[cookie]

that sounds very much like it just does it's own thing, and redoes the route. the 2610 simply "activates" the exact route as calculated in mapsource.

i know which i think is the better idea.

 

[Sleepy]

If you download a route to the Zumo, created in mapsource, it's exactly as created, if you want to alter it 'on the fly' this is also possible...

 

[beemerboy9]

Zumo should be like my 2820 and your old 2610 in its behaviour - saves as plotted in Mapsource.
Presumably you've had a chat to Garmin about the behaviour of your GPS?

 

[cookie]

Presumably you've had a chat to Garmin about the behaviour of your GPS?

it says Navigate, and that's what it does

...but it's not what i want.


i have heard the exact route "Activate" option ended with the 2610. thought i'd ask here, probably more get sense than i'd get from garmin.


i'm informed my personal gps guru is on the case at last

 

[chrisjk]

You'd probably get better info here http://www.zumoforums.com/

My 2820 - like some other units at least I guess - can be prevented from recalculating a route.

 

[cookie]

You'd probably get better info here http://www.zumoforums.com/

My 2820 - like some other units at least I guess - can be prevented from recalculating a route.

just to clarify: it's not REcalculating a route on the fly i'm talking about. it's the unit's ability to display an exact route created on a computer.

 

[Sleepy]

just to clarify: it's not REcalculating a route on the fly i'm talking about. it's the unit's ability to display an exact route created on a computer.

This is exactly what my Zumo does..

 

[cookie]

This is exactly what my Zumo does..

that is not the answer i have just received from my gps guru at Judgey Labs, the zumo does not copy the downloaded route, but recalculates it.
a conclusion reached after almost* literally months of testing, for which i am very grateful

*ok, not almost, let alone literally

 

[Sleepy]

that is not the answer i have just received from my gps guru at Judgey Labs, the zumo does not copy the downloaded route, but recalculates it.
a conclusion reached after almost* literally months of testing, for which i am very grateful

*ok, not almost, let alone literally

Sorry.. but this is completly wrong... my Zumo definitely does NOT re-calculate a downloaded route.. I think you should change your GPS guru..

I have not long completed a 3000 mile trip down to Spain and back with routes I created in mapsource and downloaded.. not a single glitch..

 

[judge]

that is not the answer i have just received from my gps guru at Judgey Labs, the zumo does not copy the downloaded route, but recalculates it.

Uploaded and imported route 1 (Baskerville) into the Zumo. Original mileage 273 miles

Downloaded the uploaded and imported route back to Mapsource (Baskerville_Export) on the pc, new mileage 280 miles.

Its my belief the deviation is only minor because of the close proximity of the via points and the lack of alternatives to shorten (or speed up) the route.

In Cookies French experience he used less via points which allowed the unit to be more creative in its choices.

I think it could be worked around by being more prescriptive in your choice and number of vias used but it does recalculate a given route on import, unlike the 2610, when all the fun we had then was a complete mismatch of routes when a route from one unit wouldn't work on another unless the mapsource version and the mapset were identical - ah happy days.

Now the Zumo will import any file saved as a GPX and will attempt to at least acknowledge its choices when it recalculates it for use, vorsprung durk teknik

Edit: B@lls - the GPX files I want to upload to show the changes imposed by the Zumo are too big, you'll just have to take my word for it - else otherwise explain why the route changes by 7 miles if it doesn't recalculate it

P.S. 'Guru' is not my choice of a descriptive

 

[boredrider]

GPSMap60csx auto routing

I had the same problem with a GPSMap60csx recently, but was able to sort it by careful adjustment of the settings on the the Routing Setup menu, and the Follow Road options. Unfortunately I don't have the unit here to give you the exact settings, but from recollection all recalculation options were either turned off or set to prompt, and it was set not to lock onto displayed roads.

The method used to define the route is also important. I.E. you need to minimise the number of waypoints, preferably to start and end, and define the route by means of via-points, mappoints or whatever you want to call them. The point being that the GPS cannot auto-route between or to these points, and therefore has no option but to do what you told it.

I don't think the Zumo behaves differently in this respect.

Unless someone knows different........................

 

[Gert]

Hello cookie. I have the exact same problem with the gpsmap60cx.

My not so elegant solution is to create the trip I want to ride as a route in Mapsource. I then convert the route to a track with WinGDB and upload the track to the GPS unit and use the trackback function.

The only drawback I suffer, is that I don't get navigation prompts from the unit as when riding a proper route, but I find it easy enough to just follow the track that gets displayed on the map.

A major plus on the other hand is the fact that the GPS unit does NOT zoom in and out while trackbacking as it does when navigating a route (which to me was a pain in the ... because I felt the unit zoomed OUT just when I needed a detailed view of the route).

 

[AdamA]

If you download a route to the Zumo, created in mapsource, it's exactly as created, if you want to alter it 'on the fly' this is also possible...

This is exactly what my Zumo does..

Incorrect.

that is not the answer i have just received from my gps guru at Judgey Labs, the zumo does not copy the downloaded route, but recalculates it.
a conclusion reached after almost* literally months of testing, for which i am very grateful

*ok, not almost, let alone literally

Correct.

In practice, that generally means exactly the same route, as it has the same base maps.
However it DOES sometimes try to send you a different way, if your waypoints do not FORCE it to go the way you want. It's done it to me a few times. I now ensure I place the waypoints so it would be stupid for it to try and go another way.

 

[roddy]

A major plus on the other hand is the fact that the GPS unit does NOT zoom in and out while trackbacking as it does when navigating a route (which to me was a pain in the ... because I felt the unit zoomed OUT just when I needed a detailed view of the route).

when you turn the unit on and are in the normal map screen if you press

menu - scroll to setup map - enter then scroll along to the last symbol on the LHS loks like a N surrounded by arrow heads and switch off Auto Zoom.

from memory I believe this disables the zoom function when you get to junctions as I find that a PITA as well

HTH

 

[Gert]

OK thanks roddy, I have overlooked this setting. Will give it a try.

But still, I think I will have to stick to trackbacking instead of navigating a route because of the fact the gpsmap60 screws up the routes that are set out in Mapsource, like the OP said.

shame, really, but all in all the unit's performance is good enough for me