BMW Corrosion problem refused under warranty
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I know people are going to post saying that you didn't wash the bike after every ride, didn't spray ACF50 all over it etc. etc. but I reckon that level of corrosion is just not good enough... What happened to reasonable durability..?
People can say what they wish. I'm not some anal bastard that spends more time polishing than riding.
I didn't spray my Z500 back in 1986 with ACF50 but it didn't look like this, or my James 150 in 1965, or any other Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki or Lambretta (
I know it's a freaking scooter!!!! but it didn't rust like this twat)!I ride all year, every year (apart from snow/ice) ... and it was washed off nearly every time it had been ridden, which to be honest wasn't that often this last winter due to snow rather than cold/wet. I probably rode less this winter than for a long time.
It's a motorcycle FFS!!
PS: It's an R1200RT-SE (Shite-Engineering)
I have the name and number of the lawyer who changed the law on vehicle durability and defects.
I used him on a 'car' when the dealer refused to be sensible.
After rejecting all my suggestions I sued them. Got all my money back, my legal bill paid, compensation and the result was I bought another car from the same dealer network and they could have done it instead.
Total cost to them was over £80k.
The law is simple in that you are allowed to expect durability and reliability for a reasonable period of time.
The greater the cost in line with other similar products then the greater level of perfection you can demand.
The ruling judge in 2004 stated that " in effect it would be reasonable for the owner of a Bentley to reject the whole car for something as simple as a blown bulb".
I used the same lawyer when I had a blown engine on an HP2. Result was a full repair out of the given warranty period.
Im not a member anymore so you cant PM me, but you can call me if you wish.
0131 669 7799 or 07920 452552
Ian
I used him on a 'car' when the dealer refused to be sensible.
After rejecting all my suggestions I sued them. Got all my money back, my legal bill paid, compensation and the result was I bought another car from the same dealer network and they could have done it instead.
Total cost to them was over £80k.
The law is simple in that you are allowed to expect durability and reliability for a reasonable period of time.
The greater the cost in line with other similar products then the greater level of perfection you can demand.
The ruling judge in 2004 stated that " in effect it would be reasonable for the owner of a Bentley to reject the whole car for something as simple as a blown bulb".
I used the same lawyer when I had a blown engine on an HP2. Result was a full repair out of the given warranty period.
Im not a member anymore so you cant PM me, but you can call me if you wish.
0131 669 7799 or 07920 452552
Ian
cherokee
Registered user
Sorry but I agree with BMW - in all probability that bike has not been cared for.
The owner may be correct and he is the one unlucky one that got a rogue machine but I doubt it.
I will now get shot down - but someone has to say it!
The owner may be correct and he is the one unlucky one that got a rogue machine but I doubt it.
I will now get shot down - but someone has to say it!
I have to agree with the OP
It's all down to the definition of 'reasonable use' and I think you should be able to expect a bike to last a few winters without turning to rust
I have to agree with the OP
It's all down to the definition of 'reasonable use' and I think you should be able to expect a bike to last a few winters without turning to rust
The manual says to wash the salt off - and if you do it will certainly last more than a few Winters and still look good - mine has. The Winters are not the problem it is the salt.
good'oleboy
Registered user
I know that many guys hate to clean bikes but as the finish used on modern bikes is water based due to euro regs and such crap they do have to have TLC and if he had just sprayed some wd40 or the like he may have got a result. I have had a few bms but always give them a spray of the stuff.
That's what he says...
What a load of cock. WTF have a few rusty bits got to to with durability or reliability? BuMW lawyer would just laugh you out of the courtroom and be bashing you over the head with the goods not fit for purpose line to boot!
Truth is, nothing is like it was due to modern techniques but you can do something about it like ACF etc etc etc. Preventitive maintainence works wonders. I love the old line of "My Honda didn't do that" etc etc but they are usually from 20 odd years ago when paint did a good job of protection and they didn't shove salt on the road at every opportunity.
You could also invest in a stainless steel bolt kit from St Eptoe for a few quid which sorts most of the issues.
I know that many guys hate to clean bikes but as the finish used on modern bikes is water based due to euro regs and such crap they do have to have TLC and if he had just sprayed some wd40 or the like he may have got a result. I have had a few bms but always give them a spray of the stuff.
The paintwork is water based ........ not the fasteners, which is the problem. I have no problem with the paintwork.
Spraying WD40 anywhere near brake callipers is a death wish
LiquidLAN
Registered user
Yeah you could... and if you where talking about a cheap bike to start with you might feel inclined to, but the think that p*sses me off is that these arent cheap bikes, so why should you have to pay top dollar for something only to have to replace all the bits and pieces with stainless once you've got it???
Sadly I'm kind of resigned to the fact it is how it is and to the most part I've been pretty lucky with mine, but in prep for winter mine was cleaned and ACF50'd and in fact spent most of the winter in the garage (certainly all of it that'd they'd been salting around here) and still I see my panniers are covered in white pitting and theres corrosion showing up in the rear subframe...
it'd just be nice to pay decent money and get a decent product in return, what's wrong with that?
I see your point but unfortunately, it's reality
. No matter what the cost of any product these days, regardless of name or history, it ain't as good as it used to be and you have to be prepared to do some sort of preventitive maintainence.
LiquidLAN
Registered user
I see your point but unfortunately, it's reality
thinking about it I guess the biggest chunk of BMW's business is new rather than repeat, even the bits that are repeat business arent likely to be much more than every two or three years so there's not much incentive to improve
Stonker
Registered user
Now, why am I not suprised
BBB61
Registered user
How long ago did you first notice the corrosion? Has it just appeared or did you notice it some time ago but didn't take it up with the dealer immediately?
Are you on crack or something???
Read back your post.........durability is the key point here.
The finish on the calipers is poor to say the least. The manufacturers know this but it is cheaper to produce lower quality goods and repair to those that fall foul than it is to make the finish beyond compromise.
Not every bike will get used through the foul winters we get here, mine for instance has sat in the garage doing nothing. I am lucky that I have a car to use.
Unless you know the law, and you clearly dont, then i'd get back to the yacht and stop making an arse of yourself.
I see your point but unfortunately, it's reality
And then you go straight in and contradict yourself!
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