► Unexpected stalling issue

[emdub]

I think someone further up this thread said that dealers have been instructed to do the remap if customers complain.

That's me... yes, that is what the chief mechanic told me at the dealers. If riders complain about any issue related to the throttle they have orders to do a remap. I'm pretty sure they do it anyway at the service intervals.... you might want to get an update before that though if you have any complaints.

 

[martin c s]

Yes, it was under warranty. I think someone further up this thread said that dealers have been instructed to do the remap if customers complain.
I was living with the problem until I had three stalls in one day, the last of which caused me to (gently) drop the bike on a mini-roundabout. Nothing so severe as Brian’s accident in France, but enough to provoke me to get it sorted. Only damage to the bike was a lightly scuffed bar end.
PS. Had a great weekend riding around the East Mids with no stalls.

Thanks for that BM I will have to complain more strongly. When I first mentioned the stalling issue they said they had not heard of it? Sorry to hear of tour "off" but glad to hear you think its fixed. As I said mine has not stalled for the last 2k but I don't like the jerky throttle.

 

[Wildman]

Had a stall the day before yesterday; the first (and I hope, the last). Changing up at high revs from 4th to 5th, completely cut out. Fortunately, the clutch was in and I could restart whilst coasting but not ideal.

 

[barrygs]

stalling issues

first of all i love the bike and don't want be whining about it. mine has stalled on umpteen occaisions sometimes while riding and would start immediately and sometimes i'd have to wait 10-15mins and off it would go again. it was perfect untill it got it's first service and then all this started. i took it to bmw and they currently have the bike for over two days now and are trying to find the fault. they think it's electrical and there is a circuit breaking somewhere. what i need to is if i had fitted an after market horn to the bike using the can bus connector could this be causing the problem. i don't want to say if to bmw incase they don't stand over the work done on the bike?
cheers guys

 

[everywherevirtually]

mine is doing it now. About twice a week. usually when slowing down to a junction. It's always as I pull in the clutch lever and I'm ready to change from 3rd to 2nd or if I need to stop from 2nd to 1st. I pull in the clutch and it cut's out. I roll along, restart, release the clutch and off I go. It's a weird one. It's not a stall it just dies.

 

[oblertone]

There is ...

... a school of thought that says touching the throttle on start-up can cause the engine management to cut off fuel at a higher rev point on deceleration; sounds feasible in these days of environmental/emission concern and lean running engines. Jaq's 650 stalled twice before she was told not to even hold the throttle whilst starting it; hasn't stalled since

 

[tip]

This might be old news so take it for what it's worth. I've seen this posted on other forums. It's a service bulletin from BMW usa for the 800GS regarding the update of CIP CD11.0/11.1 to CIP CD11.2

Date: May 2008
Bulletin #: 00 008 08 (031)
Source: UX-VA-5, G. Gerger
BMW Motorrad USA
Service and Technical
K2x, K4x and K7x models
Important Notes:
Models:
1) The CIP CD11.0 must be installed on the Group Tester One before starting
the update! CIP 11.1 update does not have to be installed on the GT1 before
installing this new update.
2) Other data carriers have to be removed, especially all devices which are
hooked up to any USB-port of the GT1!
1) Start suppression of the K72 (F 800 GS / F 650 GS) caused by an implausible signal
from the side stand switch (symptom: engine cuts out when first gear engaged).
2) Occasional cold start and idling problems on R series vehicles
3) Following programming of vehicles equipped with CAN bus (K2x, K4x, K7x), the
odometer in the instrument cluster flashes and fault code memory entry "0x9335"
is shown in the CIP final report.

the rest of the post is here.

clickity click

 

[barrygs]

got it sorted

first of all i love the bike and don't want be whining about it. mine has stalled on umpteen occaisions sometimes while riding and would start immediately and sometimes i'd have to wait 10-15mins and off it would go again. it was perfect untill it got it's first service and then all this started. i took it to bmw and they currently have the bike for over two days now and are trying to find the fault. they think it's electrical and there is a circuit breaking somewhere. what i need to is if i had fitted an after market horn to the bike using the can bus connector could this be causing the problem. i don't want to say if to bmw incase they don't stand over the work done on the bike?
cheers guys

have the bike back almost two weeks and not a bother it's not missing a beat thank god, all that stalling turned out to be a faulty kill switch took them a few days to find it, but it's sorted now.

 

[ELBOB]

F 800 GS stalls.

Mine was new early July. Stalled frequently most often down shifting or when at traffic lights. When tank was full would intermittently spray pillions right leg ! most entertaining stall was overtaking bendy bus with oncoming lorry, wouldn't restart on starter .. The breather pipe was fitted backwards ! Now runs perfectly. So do check the breather pipe,( runs from tank around seat and down left hand side of bike ). Headlight left bolt vanished on Saturday night, so check that these are nice and tight. Have the front caliper checked and, if fitted ABS sensor on front brake. Despite all the above we love the bike, just pray that nothing else fails / falls off in the next week !

 

[donbcivil]

Pressuring BMW to address stalling issue

Third day out on my new 800GS - coming up to my home via a twisty hilly road as I have done 1,000s of times before, the last three and a half years on my 1200GS.. As I came round one of the righthand hairpin bends and accelerated, still leaning to the right, the bike stalled/cut out and thus shreared off to the right; I was unable to hold it up and down it went. Broken headlight, engine casing, bad scratches on bodywork, oil all over the road; I was winded and a few cuts and bruises. The dealer from whom I had bought the bike in Lyon (25 miles away) came out straightaway and picked the bike up -8.30 pm. So far I have deduced, the hard way, that this bike simply cuts out if the engine is overloaded - it doesn't vibrate or stutter, like the many boxers that I have had, and give you a chance to change down. Engine fault ? Rider error? Engine characteristics? What do you think? ( On Saturday I tried to buy back my 1200GS, left there on Wednesday, but it was already sold!) I would of course be interested to hear if others have experienced this, apart from previous replies in this thread;

OK,this is the post that convinced me not to go with the 800 GS now, as it is an unsafe bike. That and the fact that this email from BMW makes it clear they aren't taking the issue seriously enough yet:

Mr. Baldwin,

It is my understanding that there is no "known" issue. If these individuals chatting on the Internet are having an issue with their motorcycle, they simply will need to take it to their local BMW Motorrad dealer for inspection.

I apologize it this is not what you were expecting or wanted to hear.

Regards,
Karen Labatzky

What do you all think is the likelihood that an online petition could embarrass BMW into taking definitive action?

 

[BM_donator]

It is my understanding that there is no "known" issue.

Bollox. Most UK dealers will do a remap if you report the problem - actions speak louder than words.

I would hope that any bikes now leaving the factory will have the updated software - so maybe Ms. Labatzky is hiding that there has been a problem?

Either way don't be put off - it's still a great bike.

 

[everywherevirtually]

I've recently had the update and while it hasn't stalled yesterday it failed to start at all!

It had a fully charged battery and a full petrol tank ???

I remember seeing something on 'Race to Dakar' where Charley had a problem starting his bike and Nick Plumb stepped in to help. He turned the ignition on and gently opened the throttle (with the engine off) to the maximum and gently released it to it's closed state. he then started the bike. Apparently it reset something.

Anyway yesterday I did the same thing and bingo the bike started!

so I wonder what that is all about

 

[twisticles]

Have either the ST or S had this issue?

They have experienced similar symptoms, but as I understand it, due to a badly routed breather hose or something. More info on www.f800riders.org forums

 

[bighair]

Is it excetpable

Why are BMW not doing anything positve about this stalling/cutting out issue .
It could cost somebody more than some damaged bodywork.
Kawasaki did a large recall and changed 100's /1000's of carbs sets due to a stalling issue.
I have ridden 1000's of motorcycles and I am sorry to say that currently BMW seem to have been the worst for stalling / cutting out issues on a wide range of their models most recently on a R1200RT a brand new bike it cut out 4 times on a 40 mile trip , once on a roundabout which could have been a serious problem if a less experienced rider had been riding.(This can not be down to the rider as it also happened to a fellow worker on a different bike and judging by the replies to this post people of totally different riding styles)
If this happened on their cars would this not have been sorted by now
To many sensors ? Too much information ? The electronic brain not coping?.
Are users being used as test pilots and developers ?
Not of mechantable quaility springs to mind.
We as motorcyclists are not second class , but as far a recalls and possible safety issues we are ? Well on the surface would appear so.

 

[emdub]

...but the problem has been solved... I believe no one still has this problem, unless they don't go to the dealers to solve it with a simple remap. :-\

 

[swolf]

I've had a couple of stalls - but they've been with no gas on and slow speed trundling.

+1

Had my first stall yesterday, no gas at a slow speed. Bike fully up to date.

 

[everywherevirtually]

So maybe what we have seen is actually a mixture of a mapping problem coupled (in some cases) with riders coming from machines with more 'pull' at lower revs and cocking it up? Like me.

On all the occasions mine stalled the clutch was pulled in to it's maximum... and the revs were low. It''s not a stall it literally cut out. Since the software update all appears to be well. I've since done 1000 miles. I haven't come from a previous big bike.

 

[krowbar]

Like SWOLF I had a low speed cut out (5 mph or so) on Monday. Newest map. Bike had about 70 miles on the clock. Digital computer display stayed on. i.e was not a battery connection issue. None since.

 

[RIGGED]

Cut out issue.....................

I purchased my bike on 14/10/08 and rode it 10 miles back from dealer, took it out for a spin 2 days later and with only a total of 40 miles on the clock, it ( the bike, not speedo ) cut out whilst doing about 20 through a town centre, pulled clutch in, coasted to kerb, hit button and away we went again. Nothing more since but dealer is going to have to find an explanation ...........

 

[moto1527]

I purchased my bike on 14/10/08 and rode it 10 miles back from dealer, took it out for a spin 2 days later and with only a total of 40 miles on the clock, it ( the bike, not speedo ) cut out whilst doing about 20 through a town centre, pulled clutch in, coasted to kerb, hit button and away we went again. Nothing more since but dealer is going to have to find an explanation ...........

7500 miles now, had bike from new, it has had the latest map and no problems since (very few before to be honest) its only happened when ive "blipped" the throttle at very low revs. i think its just it doesnt like a rapid open/close at very low revs. I know its caught a few people out but if you think about it you dont ever need to do it, its an old, old habit that was a hang over from when you needed to double de-clutch to change gear. Nowadays its done merely to make the bike make a noise (im as guilty as anyone for doing that).
Workaround- new map and dont ride it like its an old Harley, because, thankfully, it isnt.
moto