iirc from the stats 60 percent of bikers incidents where they are killed or injured occurr between 1200 and 1800 hrs on a Sunday so i rarely venture out on a Sunday 
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Because it probably was
Being 'in the right' or an accident being caused by a SMIDSY doesn't remove the fact that we do end up dead regardless of the 'blame'.
Therefore, like it or not, we have to ride as if every car hasn't seen us, and as if they will always do the worst possible thing that they can at exactly the wrong moment for us......
It's not 'right' and it's not 'fair', but right and fair mean fuck all when you're dead.
It's the same old story every year, sadly......the chances are pretty high that these two are born again summer bikers and were on machines that bite......after a long winter lay up, a 140+BHP machine can be a very unforgiving toy.
Pure guesswork obviously, but it's an annual event
I must say I agree with Fanums point of view. Its funny that all year bikers seem to get by with little or no drama, but the summer heroes usually riding jap sports bikes cause havoc in April and May.
There was a case a few years ago on the B1257 at chop gate where an elderly guy riding in a slow steady manner was hit and killed by an oncoming Gixer rider who was speeding and overcooked it in a bend. As far as remember they never got the barstid as the suspected rider reported the bike stolen later same day
Trouble with you Oligarch's!!
I have been a Twat in all it's forms and sizes, intentionally and unintentionally, on and off a bike, over the years, and as those in TA (Twats Annon) I try to live a day at a time Twat free; I even liked, and almost purchased the said named suit until I joined this forum, and am now frightened to buy one! In all honesty I can't really feel sorry for anyone who speeds in a 30 zone, but feel at any speed there should be some small element of danger, to someone, something, including the rider, and correspondingly the punishment should be appropriate. Villains respected me back in the day (for what thats worth) and conversely many colleagues thought I would have been better suited to being a Social Worker. There was a time when stories were recounted to me in social situations re Police actions/behaviour which I refused to believe, and would vehemently defend or try to justify an unknown Copper's actions, but can't do that anymore, more of these stories have more than a ring if truth, and I take no pleasure in saying this. It would give nobody more pleasure than me to be so effing wrong!
In todays society everyone is a twat until they can prove otherwise.
Same as you now have to prove you are innocent in so many situations.
All wrong, just so fucking wrong.
I have been a Twat in all it's forms and sizes, intentionally and unintentionally, on and off a bike, over the years, and as those in TA (Twats Annon) I try to live a day at a time Twat free; I even liked, and almost purchased the said named suit until I joined this forum, and am now frightened to buy one! In all honesty I can't really feel sorry for anyone who speeds in a 30 zone, but feel at any speed there should be some small element of danger, to someone, something, including the rider, and correspondingly the punishment should be appropriate. Villains respected me back in the day (for what thats worth) and conversely many colleagues thought I would have been better suited to being a Social Worker. There was a time when stories were recounted to me in social situations re Police actions/behaviour which I refused to believe, and would vehemently defend or try to justify an unknown Copper's actions, but can't do that anymore, more of these stories have more than a ring if truth, and I take no pleasure in saying this. It would give nobody more pleasure than me to be so effing wrong!
Because it probably was
Being 'in the right' or an accident being caused by a SMIDSY doesn't remove the fact that we do end up dead regardless of the 'blame'.
It's not 'right' and it's not 'fair', but right and fair mean fuck all when you're dead.
"Here lies the body of Peter Wright
who knew he was right all along.
But he's now just as dead
as if he'd been wrong"
Of course we have to wait to find out what happened before jumping to conclusions Bill, but one of the accidents occurred at a junction
But my thirty years, mostly as a bike cop, I'd put this weeks pension on the fact that at a junction a motorcycle accident will be the fault of a car driver
Unless the crazy loon of a biker is doing sixty in a thirty
cocker
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cocker
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Because it probably was
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Based on what evidence exactly?
We cannot be expected to take responsibility for other people's actions. If someone doesn't see me and pulls out on me when I'm 10 yards away WTF am I supposed to do?
I'm certainly not taking responsibility for it, nor am I going to get off my RT and push it past every turning, junction and roundabout in case some fool's not paying attention. Apart from anything else she's far too heavy for that.
In todays society everyone is a twat until they can prove otherwise.
Same as you now have to prove you are innocent in so many situations.
All wrong, just so fucking wrong.
The irony is I absolutely agree with this statement, yet it's the exact philosophy by which I live my life if I'm being honest.
I reckon all you can do is treat all other road users as idiots.. And expect them to do something stupid...
Do all you can position wise to get yourself spotted, and ride defensively...and that doesn't necessarily mean at a crawl
Forgot to add.. If you're out and about with others, and it turns into a willy waving contest.. Let them get on with it.
Do all you can position wise to get yourself spotted, and ride defensively...and that doesn't necessarily mean at a crawl
Forgot to add.. If you're out and about with others, and it turns into a willy waving contest.. Let them get on with it.
yes but you can obey 30 and 40 limits and ride accordingly and after that ride like no one has seen you especially at junctions just watch their front wheels for movement it's not hard to throttle back ffs
And if, whilst I'm doing 55 in a 60, they pull out on me when I'm 10 yards away it's still my fault is it? You might think it is but I am NOT taking the rap for it.
You might not "take the rap for it"!... But that won't make much differance if you are dead.
alleycam
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I'm with JB on this, it is shocking.
All that we can actually be sure of is that, after the deaths of two riders, for their family members, friends, colleagues and so on, lives will not be the same; and for some totally devastated. For them the blame casting is not an issue, not yet, and when it is, all they usually really want, is to understand
It's perhaps natural to speculate on the causes of the accidents, be ready to cast blame on drivers, or the mentality/attitude/skills of the riders themselves, anything to distance ourselves from the reality that it might be us, tomorrow, the next day... or perhaps never.
Having been to too many motorcycle crashes like these, having known some who've died, I am always left with a profound sadness for those left behind, balanced against the gratitude that I can still ride and enjoy life, for the time I'm allowed. I've ridden for a long time, I'm qualified to the hilt but I too can make as stupid a mistake as the next person, it might just do for me next time too....
Perhaps we'll get to find out what really happened, perhaps we won't, perhaps it doesn't really matter in the end.
Shocked? well perhaps really I'm just saddened, yet again
All that we can actually be sure of is that, after the deaths of two riders, for their family members, friends, colleagues and so on, lives will not be the same; and for some totally devastated. For them the blame casting is not an issue, not yet, and when it is, all they usually really want, is to understand
It's perhaps natural to speculate on the causes of the accidents, be ready to cast blame on drivers, or the mentality/attitude/skills of the riders themselves, anything to distance ourselves from the reality that it might be us, tomorrow, the next day... or perhaps never.
Having been to too many motorcycle crashes like these, having known some who've died, I am always left with a profound sadness for those left behind, balanced against the gratitude that I can still ride and enjoy life, for the time I'm allowed. I've ridden for a long time, I'm qualified to the hilt but I too can make as stupid a mistake as the next person, it might just do for me next time too....
Perhaps we'll get to find out what really happened, perhaps we won't, perhaps it doesn't really matter in the end.
Shocked? well perhaps really I'm just saddened, yet again
Amen to that ... every word rings true with my own thoughts, beliefs and experiences.
Qualified to the hilt here too ... but know it can be my turn next
Still worth it though
Edit ... and good to meet you at the weekend
Speed itself doesn't kill 
its the rapid deceleration when you hit something that gets ya 
its the rapid deceleration when you hit something that gets ya 
Well said & written Al
A sad event for all, including the car drivers too - nobody wants to be in a collision
An Old Ad But a good one .
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IOM
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"Here lies the body of Peter Wright
who knew he was right all along.
But he's now just as dead
as if he'd been wrong"
Of course we have to wait to find out what happened before jumping to conclusions Bill, but one of the accidents occurred at a junction
But my thirty years, mostly as a bike cop, I'd put this weeks pension on the fact that at a junction a motorcycle accident will be the fault of a car driver
Unless the crazy loon of a biker is doing sixty in a thirty
Ill vote for that one Mick
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