2009 R1200GS

[y2blade]

I emailed my friend who knows how to spell BMW about this. He tells me why I am getting more excited about the prospect of getting further shaftings from my local BMW dealer for servicing and losing huge amounts in depreciations whilst they continue to sing the tune that their bikes defy gravity

thats nice for you

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2009 GS will have a diesel option with particle filter. More torque, same power, better milage to the gallon etc.

i think the diesel comment was a joke

 

[ktmmark]

thats nice for you

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i think the diesel comment was a joke

Thats why it starts with, if only this was true

 

[birdseye]

Lets see....the Kaboom weighs 199kg (same as the GS) and yet the engine alone weighs 40kg less? What is the hell is the frame made of....thick walled RHS and concrete?

Having had both bikes, I'd take some convincing that they doi weigh the same. The KTM deffo feels lighter but certainly not 40kg or even 20. The BMW has the engine as a structural part of the bike unlike the KTM, and the KTM has much more plastic fairing bits. So my guess is that the non engine parts of the KTM are heavier than the BMW.

 

[Robbo1200ADV]

That New KTM engine would be Fantastic in a GS Frame! I cant wait till they put it in the SM Chassis ,You wont need a front wheel!!

 

[Shep]

If they watercool the boxer (must be possible as per the CX500?) the stylist will struggle not to make it the uglyiest engine from uglyville.

Shep

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

That New KTM engine would be Fantastic in a GS Frame!

What frame

Andres

 

[bowser]

2009 GS will have a diesel option with particle filter. More torque, same power, better milage to the gallon etc.

If only this was true,i would love a diesel gs .Always wanted a diesel bike & if i ever found an engine good enough i would build my own .
All i want is 100 mph with 100+mpg

Well you shouldnt have to wait long Royal College of military science / US Army have been developing one for a while as the military want to move to a totally diesel vehicle fleet, bottom end is based on a kawk 600 top end is their own design, one of the design briefs was that it should be able to maintain a constant 90mph on roads and do 100 mpg. They keep threatening to do a civilian, which is supposed to be soon. I believe the military one went into production in 06.
It is supposed to do over 500miles to a tank, and top end is round about the ton.

 

[bowser]

specs

Sorry to be a real spotter, but for anyone interested here is the spec sheet for the military bike

 

[GSmonkey]

If they watercool the boxer.....

.....it'll be too wide to give any decent lean angle before the engine touched down.

 

[y2blade]

Thats why it starts with, if only this was true

ohh yeah..sorry

That New KTM engine would be Fantastic in a GS Frame! I cant wait till they put it in the SM Chassis ,You wont need a front wheel!!

watch this space then

its going to be awsome..I just hope the old boys can handle it

 

[DavidHale]

A friend who works for BMW in Germany told me that the Boxer engine DEFINITELY won't pass emissions for 2009

Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't the engine be able to pass the 2009 engine emission regs?

 

[Shep]

.....it'll be too wide to give any decent lean angle before the engine touched down.

They said that about 4 valve heads?

Shep

 

[Bones]

BMW are big enough to make their own engines, and certainly have the technology. What chances a water cooled boxer?

Don't Rotax manufacture their single cylender engines? They cetainly used to manufacture the lump in the F650. They even (I know not now) outsourced the assembly work to Aprillia.

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't the engine be able to pass the 2009 engine emission regs?

'cos it's all pish

AFAIK Euro 5 standards apply to '08/'09 [1] so the current R engine should meet them shouldn't it

Andres

[1] This may be cars only, not sure.

 

[JayGee]

2009 GS will have a diesel option with particle filter. More torque, same power, better milage to the gallon etc.

Well, we wouldn't notice much difference in noise or rev range would we?

 

[y2blade]

got my email this evening

VERY interesting...i'm VERY restricted in what i can say you understand

what i AM ok to say is that he was able to confirm that there is to be a major change in the engine layout/configuration for the flagship model in the GS line-up on the 2009 model year bike






the bad news is that i'll STILL be to young to own a GS in 2009

i hope you enjoy it you old tossers

 

[GSmonkey]

Maybe the 1200GS will become a modern classic after all..............the last of the boxers.

Don't think I'd want to be the first few buying a new GS with a completely new engine.

 

[steveh]

and....

Lets see....the Kaboom weighs 199kg (same as the GS) and yet the engine alone weighs 40kg less? What is the hell is the frame made of....thick walled RHS and concrete?

A fireblade weighs about 175 dry therefore we saying the GS would be 160 dry with that engine without changing anything else???

I think we can safely say thats b&ll@cks!!!

 

[Jon P]

What frame

Andres

I hear what you are syaing but no matter how you look at it the current GS (and other boxers) do have a frame. Of course the older 1100s and 1150s almosat didn't have a frame.

 

[Jon P]

Are we not forgetting something here? haven't BMW just introduced a new 1200 motor with double overhead cams with the new HP2 Sport?? (something they said they couldn't do due to engine width) But they have done it! Surely this will be the next motor in the GS??

This really is a new development - not just a re-working as the hex head 1200 is to the 1150 oil heads.

BMW may well introduce new engine architecture (for the last 15 years there had been rumours of an in line twin - but noone saw an in line twin with a third con-rod.........typical BMW original thinking!) - but the flat twin has to stay. Despite new ventures into fours, singles and twins the boxer is where it is at.

BMW have sold as many 1200 GSs in the past four years as they sold of all the previous GSs put together! We have voted again and again with our wallets regarding what we want! BMW will deliver - if the current boxer does not meeet new codes - no problem they will adapt, re-engineer and come up with a result..............I hope