A disappointed GS Adv rider

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ricardo> Thanks for a very imformative post :)

I suffer from the sort of pain you describe, I think it's caused in part by my current bike, so I'm hoping it will improve when I get my new GS soon (but not soon enough!). Having seen the picture of the bars you posted and compared it to the overhead shot of the 1200gs in the BMW brouchure, it seems the bars on the new bike may cause the same problem. I may try rotating the handlebars upwards, to lessen the angle, or investigate a replacement part.

Again, thanks for the info :)
yeah sadlly the bars on the 1200 may look fat but the suffer from the exact same problem as the r1150GS bars...

someday i show you some Updates..

i'm glad i can help,,at least a little,,I have about 980 happy clients I think that is sufficient prove that i know what I'm taking about..
 
denty said:
Thanks Rollo, I'll get on to Krooners and see what they say. I was going to ask you how much duty/vat etc you paid but I guess you'll avoid that one ?

Let me know the result and how good the seat is etc.

Cheers

Denty

Seat is now in California and won't be here until 14th Sept. A pity and maybe I should have had it shipped so I could use it now.

I'll report back when my ass has worn in.

Another great deal !! I'm going to France on Friday for a week on the Adventure. Return tickets with P&O are £46 total !! Can't believe it. Think you have to include a Lite ferry in (6 am return), but what a deal. Bonny soiree.
 
Adv Seat

Try a Richs seat. Richs Custom Seats. He is in Washington state and will make a seat , using your seat pan, for $450.oo this includes a gel insert and leather cover. You will need to send some pictures and body descriptions but he will make the seat to fit you and your friend.
 
disappointed GSa rider

Graeme, how about this for a seat story..........
I took my GS1150 down to Pau, France in June, we were going to the classic car races there.
A friend wanted to join me, had never been on a bike before as pillion passenger.
We got delayed, (due to overheating Honda) lost in Dordogne at night looking for the overnight stay, to cut a long story short spent 14 hours in the saddle.
Although we were pretty tired but did not suffer with sore butt problems, so I would advise to get a standard 2 part GS1150 seat. It should work fine.
regards,
Barrie.
 
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Dan Hoots said:
Try a Richs seat. Richs Custom Seats. He is in Washington state and will make a seat , using your seat pan, for $450.oo this includes a gel insert and leather cover. You will need to send some pictures and body descriptions but he will make the seat to fit you and your friend.

when it comes to Seats guys like Rich,russell and Rocky mayer are the masters..

here are some fotos I took from a rich seat at a motorcycle show.
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notice that the seat is taller than stock but actually much narrower at the front the end result you have more leg room but your feet still reach the ground with out any trouble,(great compromise in design) the owner of the seat got it made that way to his needs(not somebody elses or just a production piece) to acomodate his long legs
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this "TOP" guys also use very special material and that is a big part of the comfort,for example a guy like rocky offer diferent durometers of foam depending on the load and riding style,,trully custom work plus exelent satisfaction warranty
I have a sugestion for you guys,you can always buy a seat on E-bay, IBMWR.org or ADVrider and send it to the seat maker in the USA(from the sellers place in the USA) to avoid the cost of shipping from the UK to America.

just remenber you need to SPREAD the load of your body as opose to Focus it on just one spot,,like some (Low and farder back) seats do..
 
Rircardo

You really seem to know your stuff.

I was just about to place an order for a corbin seat (got the same deal as Rollo) and then your piece on this tread - then spent the next couple of hours researching you seat suggestions.

Richs' seats look good, but I won't be able to pay him a visit so those are ruled out. Don't fancy Russell seats (not into sprung seats). Rocky Mayer's look interesting but what do you think of RICKY Mayers ?

His web site is very interesting and I like the look of his seats (I prefer the stitched look). He seems to know what he's talking about. The price would equate to about the same as the corbin but Ricky requires the seat pan (corbin doesn't). I think if I can get hold of the adventure seat pan in the US and ship directly to him I might take that option., One thing that put me off the corbin was that I'd lose seat height - I'm 6ft 1 and I find the original seat height fine and don't want to lose any leg room. As far as I can tell I wouldn't lose any seat height with the Ricky Mayer seat.

Have you had any experience of these seats ??

Cheers

Denty
 
denty said:
Rircardo

You really seem to know your stuff.

I was just about to place an order for a corbin seat (got the same deal as Rollo) and then your piece on this tread - then spent the next couple of hours researching you seat suggestions.

Richs' seats look good, but I won't be able to pay him a visit so those are ruled out. Don't fancy Russell seats (not into sprung seats). Rocky Mayer's look interesting but what do you think of RICKY Mayers ?

His web site is very interesting and I like the look of his seats (I prefer the stitched look). He seems to know what he's talking about. The price would equate to about the same as the corbin but Ricky requires the seat pan (corbin doesn't). I think if I can get hold of the adventure seat pan in the US and ship directly to him I might take that option., One thing that put me off the corbin was that I'd lose seat height - I'm 6ft 1 and I find the original seat height fine and don't want to lose any leg room. As far as I can tell I wouldn't lose any seat height with the Ricky Mayer seat.

Have you had any experience of these seats ??

Cheers

Denty

let see to many questions to answer...

first the COrbin Possition,,,,to me the most important factor...
in the case of the GS ADVenture corbin provide you with a seat that is far lower and much farder back then stock(horrible for passangers by the way),even funnier(on a very sad way) since the seat is really wide at the front and does not provide any improvement on the stand over height(leg reach) the GS's love to be ride with forward vias weight,since the steering is kind of "disconnected"(you don't get much feedback) the more mass you put on the front the better the bike is going to handle...

one thing i can not believe is that you guys don't have anybody on that wonderful country that can make a proper seat,your country man have international fame in terms of quality of crafmanship and Inovation,,just remenber is not just about recovering the seat to make it look better or even different ,the really important part is under the cover and how the seat foam is crafted,,I will say look around in your country first most be some harley seat maker or a wheelchair manufacture that know about ergonomics

about the Corbin and then the rest of the seat manufactures...
will you ever go to a clotthing store and just buy a pair of shoes?,,any size....No.!!!!!!!!!!!
well that is what the current corbin proposal is,a one size fits all when in reality each person have diferent needs and for sure diferent body arquitectures...
also the current Corbin quality leave a lot to be desire(covers break,sttiches fall apart,foam delaminate,,etc),,just check on ADVrider for all the complains,,tons of them all over the place)

many times I see guys like Rocky making seats for guys in europe and in fact all over the world,they only need your pictures(side views, seating, standings, next to the bike ,,etc) and a comprehesive letter explaining what you want to achive,I'm sure Ricky,rich,russell provide a similar service,what ever the result is I'm sure will be far better than corbin can provide,,actually corbin seats are pretty comfortable the only problem that they present is that they decrease the way the motorcycle handle,in short if what you want is a "couch" for your living room go for it,if you want a Proper Seat to make your bike a better vehicle stay away from them..also remenber that when you move your body farder back and low you also need to adapt the rest of the bike to this new possition,the windscreen is going to make more noise (since is a bigger gap for the air to generate turbulence) the instruments are going to be farder away but more than anything the bars for that new condicion need to be re-arrange by moving them backwards this bringing at added cost for barbacks and then a detriment in the way the bike respond since is more "CHopper like" than use to be(I see about 4cms change from stock seats to corbins,,ridiculous if you ask me.

seat pans...
the stock seat pan is made of a flexible plastic and features certain level of flexibility(suspension,moldavility),like on a modern bicycle seat were the plastic of the seat plays as much of a role as the foam on the seat,,actually the touratech pans are really nicelly made but the fibre glass on the corbin is just way to stiff not to mension really heavy...

I see seats on IBMWR.org all the time,take a look on the oilhead twin section and figure out a way to send a pan to whoever you select,,but do you self a favor first and look around you country(at least Europe) for a guy that know this trade, most be somebody even from the Vintage car trade that understand how a seat needs to be made

also remenber to try to stay as close as you can to the bars and as high as you possibly can, this way your legs will have more room,plus if you stand up will be far better for the transitions(I do know you guys never ride in the dirt) also make sure that the seat is narrow at the front to gain reach were you legs are more paralel when in comparation to a Corbin seat that is like seating on a horse mount
 
I can only add that rocky Mayer "measured me" via internet and his seat fits my arse like a glove (fits a hand obviously). Theres a foto of my bike on his web page. Dont be put off by the distance. he got it right 1st time!
 
Spanish Bob said:
I can only add that rocky Mayer "measured me" via internet and his seat fits my arse like a glove (fits a hand obviously). Theres a foto of my bike on his web page. Dont be put off by the distance. he got it right 1st time!

I second That Rocky is the man...

personally I don't have any of his seats since I ussually made my own,but I see a bunch of diferent seat manufactures true my business and so far Rocky's are pretty much at the top of the list..

each of them fits the riders needs and special request as best as a comercial product can provide

the other option you guys have is to look for a USED seat from a person with similar biotype and buy it for cheaper(actually they don't cost much less since almost nobody sell them)
 
Just take a Look at this beauty

this is one of Rich seat from seattle
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Now this is how a motorcycle seat is made
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is not like the Corbin's are so so bad is the fact that Guys like Rocky, Ricky and Rich are so F^^KinG Good.

also Notice the "Catapult" back rest from "bestrest"
 
Ricardo

You're right Rich's seat 'looks the dogs'...

However I think his website (and possibly that of Rockys) doesn't do them justice. They could both do with some more info regarding the construction of their seats and some more photos (for example the one you posted above is far better than any on their sites)...

I've e-mailed Rocky about his seats, but now I fancy one similar to Rich's one above...boy am I getting confused !!

From memory I think Rich's seat is about 100 to 150 dollars more than Rocky's so my money's with him at the moment.

Better do some more research....

Denty

By the way what makes your 'infamous' bars so good ? Is it the altered riding position, different weight, different feedback, quicker steering ? All the sites seem to be full of rave reviews (congratulations) but what makes them sooooo special ??
 
denty said:
Ricardo

You're right Rich's seat 'looks the dogs'...

However I think his website (and possibly that of Rockys) doesn't do them justice. They could both do with some more info regarding the construction of their seats and some more photos (for example the one you posted above is far better than any on their sites)...

I've e-mailed Rocky about his seats, but now I fancy one similar to Rich's one above...boy am I getting confused !!

From memory I think Rich's seat is about 100 to 150 dollars more than Rocky's so my money's with him at the moment.

Better do some more research....

Denty
I don't think you can go wrong with Rocky Or Rich or even Rusell or Rick mayer,,all this guys are masters at their dutty.
personally I work with Rocky(Bill mayer seats) a bunch of times and I admire him in many ways,he is a super pro fellow,,on the other hand i know very little about Rich(maybe because his shop is to far)but I can attest for the incredible result,,believe I have the eye for this kind of things plus do to my ocupation i need to be very attentive about the way seats are made,since I use them for reference point to select my bars...

I do agree their sites are not that develope,,hell mine sucks but my picture gallery at Smugmug contain a million funny things,,maybe is because they spend all their time going from show to show,or just plain Working their butt off,,,
if you want I can find more fotos of the seats for you guys..

in short with any of those TWO companies you can not go wrong.



By the way what makes your 'infamous' bars so good ? Is it the altered riding position, different weight, different feedback, quicker steering ? All the sites seem to be full of rave reviews (congratulations) but what makes them sooooo special ??

I will say in a nut shell ,,Extreme Care..

my work Is a really complex mix of factors from serius biomecanical and biometrical studies, to 20 years of experince in the field body dinamics to a freakky personallity that does not let me stop until i'm certain i can not go any farder in whatever i'm doing,I trully believe they are more than a inanimated Object or at least they feel that way to me..

In fisical terms I start by matching the sweep of the bars with how wide the shoulder are,in fact i can even control to a extend how wide the handlebars are,oviuslly I'm very aware of the spacial location of the grips in reference to the seat and in fact the whole bike arquitecture, also I take into account the riding style,the fisical caracteristic of each client,even the personal taste,put it this way i can even take into the equation if you are a "Pussher"(Leaner) or a "Puller" and select a bar with a bend that will increase the performance in that sense, again the work selecting them is what really makes the diference and for sure make my brain overheat sometimes.
one more example,,for the last 16-18months the Guys at Touratech send me all they request my way,since they can recognize I can offer a better service,you got to love that...

the sad news is at the moment my company is on "Coma" since I ran out of capital and the fisical and menthal energy to keep working at this intense pace, sincerlly I don't know if will be able to provide the same kind of service I use to, I plan to keep working on motorcycle design but I need to find ways to make me more "Business like" as oppose to "hero like"

I hope this explain the question a little better sorry if is a litte esoteric,at least for me is like putting a piece of me in every piece I make
 
HERO...!!!

Hi Ricky, not spoken to you for some time, however, again, having followed this thread with interest, and seeing your replies.... You are a Legend in your own time..... !!!
Thanks for the help you always give out so willingly.
I hope that you get the company out of the coma very soon.
Regards,
Rian.

AND SO WHAT IF YOU@RE FROM ADVrider...??? :beerjug: :beerjug: :beerjug: :beerjug:
 
I'm pretty new to this forum, but from what I've read I have to agree with everything Grizz said....you're a TOP MAN....

Oh and more photos would be good if you've got them.

Cheers

Denty
 
denty said:


Oh and more photos would be good if you've got them.

Cheers

Denty

i'm not even sure what brand this is,,i'm pretty sure is a Rusell made for my friend Big Richard that is oviuslly a tall fellow(I'm going to try to look for the same brand of seat made for a smaller person,,so you guys can compare)
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a little better view of the shape,,can you say "Spoon",,maybe even better "tractor"
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here is Rick seating on the bike trying on the fatwat footpegs in the low setting,giving him far more leg room.
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again if you want to gain some room for your legs start at the seat,,moving it higher and a little farder back, you will also make some room if you move the pegs much lower,,
again don't try to do everything at ones(in a single place) do little improvement everywere that way the bike will not be off balance
 
denty said:
Thanks Rollo, I'll get on to Krooners and see what they say. I was going to ask you how much duty/vat etc you paid but I guess you'll avoid that one ?

Let me know the result and how good the seat is etc.

Cheers

Denty

Now have the seat installed. Immediate observation is that there is much more support for the thighs. Corbins take a while to bed in as they have 'memory foam'. Past experience suggests the seat beds in after 1,000 miles or so, but there is immediate benefit over my previous low seat.

The seat is quite a bit wider and whereas I could put both heels down, I can now only put the balls of my feet down.

The seat has a substantial step which is good for defining MY area and also will help slipping backwards due to the extra acceleration of the black Adventure.

Much more padding for a pillion as the pad is now higher than the rear handle, but it is just as restricted in depth.

Build quality is superb and the seat top is made from leather so I expect that to have an input to the comfort.

The seat has a heater built-in and a switch on the side. The wiring kit and instructions look to be well finished and when working will extend the riding season into artic conditions (I'm hoping). Will sort that out in the next few weeks.

Final cost was $520 (£287) as no duty was necessary on entry and no carriage charge in my case.

Happy so far. I have suffered discomfort with the BMW Low seat and I'm expecting this to change completely.
 
Completely understand your problem regarding the seat. Can't bang on enough about Corbin and how fab the comfort is. Used to have a corbin on my adventure and was second to none till I sold it with my bike! Now a proud owner of a new 1200 GS and it's even better with a cool looking seat! Girlfriend loves it too, which means favours for long runs out! give it a try . see on it on www. corbin.com. all different letahers. got mine from battistinis 08702 250404
 
No more frozen testicles....

Now been running the Corbin seat for a few weeks and it's bedding in just fine. Don't know how it compare swith other makes, so can't offer a comparison, but I can tell you it's turned one sore ass into an all-day riding but. I find it extremely comfortable. The bike is a joy to be on for long periods. It was the right decision for me.

Now here's a twist. The heating wiring kit was fitted this week and I cannot tell you enough how incredible that is. A warm ass makes for a big smile! I've never had a heated seat on a bike before, and I suspect most other riders haven't either, but this is heaven. Highly recommended.

Treated the seat to a small accessory - a waterproof cover. A nylon haversack cover (with built-in storage pocket) cost me £4 from a climbing shop. Fits over the whole seat and rear rack. Just pull the drawcord to hold it into position. Good for overnight camps and very wet long day trips.
 


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