Accelerator Module

Ah... i might know the answer to that.

I thought mine was taking a while to be delivered, until a nice lady knocked on my door and asked if it was me who uses a BMW bike, i thought opps exhaust may be too loud :augie but no, the address on the jiffy bad was badly written and my address number even though it should have been 39 looked like 33, so it had gone to the wrong address.

Might be an idea to ask any neighbours near by to see if the same thing could have happened.
Hope it turns up.

BTW fitted mine this afternoon but not had a run on it yet.

Hi

There seems to be a very long delivery time for the units that were shipped around 4th of December. Seems that the UK post mail service is not predicatable timewise...

PS CLAW, Sorry for the badly written house number :-(
 
Sorry to be thick but does this thing fit "in line" once you remove the existing single plug at the temperature sensor? Ta. Mine has just been delivered (very quick) so will test out at the weekend.

I have a device working on a similar principle on my Ford Galaxy which definitely delivers more power and more mpg. It cost me £50 and adds 40-50 miles to every tankful. After 165k miles, I suspect I have had my money's worth even for a 20p resistor.

Hi,

Can I buy your 20p resistor? Mine is more expensive...
 
Yep, that's how its fitted, 5 min job at the most :)
Ta. You're right...5 mins. For me, it's a bit too early to tell if there's any major improvement as it wasn't really the day for pushing on ( a bit cold and damp roads). Did a 100 miles or so in North Wales on a familiar route at 48mpg which is probably better than I normally get. The pie and chips at the Ponderosa was distinctly better than average.
 
Hi,

Can I buy your 20p resistor? Mine is more expensive...

Mavn, I have no doubt...I have no interest in fiddling about with resistors or mysterious wires at any price. :) Your product is well made and very easily fitted and removed and there's value in that for me. I didn't notice a dramatic difference today but haven't given it a fair test yet. Just a thought...I think I read that the extra resistance tricks the ECU into thinking it's colder than it really is. Well today it was only around 3-5deg C while I was riding...is there a lower temperature limit where the unit will have diminishing effect? Bear in mind, I'm probably talking rubbish.
 
Mavn, I have no doubt...I have no interest in fiddling about with resistors or mysterious wires at any price. :) Your product is well made and very easily fitted and removed and there's value in that for me. I didn't notice a dramatic difference today but haven't given it a fair test yet. Just a thought...I think I read that the extra resistance tricks the ECU into thinking it's colder than it really is. Well today it was only around 3-5deg C while I was riding...is there a lower temperature limit where the unit will have diminishing effect? Bear in mind, I'm probably talking rubbish.

I would imagine that the cooler the ambient air temp is, the less effect the module will have, as it works between a range of 0c - +50c.
:thumb2
 
I ran my bike yesterday with it fitted for the first time, and for me it did make a difference.

Lower speed control is far better.

In Sunderland i go around a roundabout that is on an adverse camber and the exit i take then immediately goes up a hill. Its to big to be a mini roundabout and too small to be classed a large one, i take the third exit and its quite a tight turn.

Taking it in first is never quite right and trying it in second the fuelling at lower revs seems to stutter. Yesterday taking it in second with low revs and it just glided round.
This is my second 1200 GSA and my first one was just the same prior to the mod on my newer one.

Filtering through traffic in first was also a lot smoother, and pick up pulling away seemed smoother. Flogging it back down the A1m later on it made no difference.

My bike has remus headers and an Akropovic titanium can with the baffles out, and the temp yesterday was around 6c.
 
Really

Hi I just want to 'quick' react on the dyno performance comparison test with the Power FRK module.

First I want react on the way they write how the Power FRK module works and how misleading the info is...

<<The Power FRK Module works as follows:


It detects and interprets the engine RPMs by the alternator’s sine wave pulsing in the power supply to the IAT sensor
It interprets the rush of air as you open the throttle using the IAT sensor’s variant signal. This is how we determine load.
Using the above two variants the Power FRK Module will modify the IAT signal to call up on-board mapping in the optimal performance range based on the demand of the rush of air into the air box and the corresponding RPM.
THE POWER FRK detects the engine revolutions and the Power FRK comes into operation only when the engine revolutions increase. The Power FRK Module senses the RPM and Pressure changes in the air-box and automatically modifies the signal of the IAT sensor on acceleration only for maximum power.
As engine revolutions decrease and you are running at constant speed (Steady State) the Power FRK Module stops its IAT signal modulation. Your ECU will return to normal programming and will also allow the ECU to go into “Closed Loop Operation” mode when riding Steady State Mode.
Powerful Performance with better MPG/KPL as the combustion efficiency is enhanced by excellent flame front propagation from optimal Injection and Ignition mapping.>>


1) First have a look at their installation instructions (http://www.powerfrkusa.net/setup/bmw-installation-guides/r-1200-gs/). You will see that it is mounted between the motronic module and the temperature sensor. It has also 2 pins in the connector. Just like the ACCELERATOR module. I asked it several times from Mototech to explain how different technology their module is towards mine. Up to now no reaction! So how can the Power FRK module detect the engine RPM, the IAT sensors, MODIFY the IAT signals,etc...??? Their explanation above is just bull... The fact is that it is more or less the same way constructed as the Accelerator module. Check out various forums and they will confirm that it is just a resistor value between the 2 leads. At least I'm honnest in what the module is build off and already wrote this in this forum what is inside.

2) Having explained their technique, I want to make some remarks on the DYNO run. There are already DYNO tests available comparing the Power FRK with other same types of modules. (I can forward the link if needed). These are done by customers who bought such a Power FRK module and not done by their representatives. These results were very close (falling in the same range). I don't understand why the dyno tests were not done using Power versus RPM's, like they are usually done. It is also not so difficult to get better results. Just use different values of resistors. I could have send out a much stronger one to Mototech where the results of the accelerator should have been beter. What these tests doesn't indicate is that if you make it too strong, the richer the fuel mixture become and you will run into difficulties during the riding of your bike (= field test no dyno test), like engine shut-off during (de-)acceleration, hugh increase of fuel consumption,... You can find again this on forums. The filosofy of the Power FRK is that if a customer is not satisfied with the one that has been send, they change it with another one that has another resistance value. (just a thought that came to my mind when I saw the test results: why are there about 50 dyno runs taken? Normally you put the 2 modules in the bike and test it. Was there so many trials needed to find a version that performed better?)

3) The basic thought of the module that I created was to let the engine run smoother in low revs, nicer throttle response, ... I believe many users reports the same advantages... And this for 1/10 the price Power FRK is asking!!! So I don't think more expanation is needed. I just regret that there is no explanation that I'm wrong that their product is also just a resistor and not a very sophiscated technology. Yes it is nicer boxed, with CD...!

VBR

mavn,

Been lurking here and wonder why your trolling plan (Negative Marketing Plan) would be to discredit or dismiss this other device (Power Frk).

You seem to use many words to negatively promote your product.

Heck it is just a cheap resistor - Just sell it like that!

Sorry but I find this funny:

mavn: I could have send out a much stronger one to Mototech where the results of the accelerator should have been beter.

and

mavn: The filosofy of the Power FRK is that if a customer is not satisfied with the one that has been send, they change it with another one that has another resistance value.

If you could have sent a stronger one to mototec now is your chance.:rob

The way I read those graphs you lost! Frk won.:comfort

You are using your customers as beta testers. Me included!

Have some class when you troll!:type

I have your last test unit and it will soon return. Tired of your 4 time "Lets try another value waltz"!:blast
 
mavn,

Been lurking here and wonder why your trolling plan (Negative Marketing Plan) would be to discredit or dismiss this other device (Power Frk).

You seem to use many words to negatively promote your product.

Heck it is just a cheap resistor - Just sell it like that!

Sorry but I find this funny:

mavn: I could have send out a much stronger one to Mototech where the results of the accelerator should have been beter.

and

mavn: The filosofy of the Power FRK is that if a customer is not satisfied with the one that has been send, they change it with another one that has another resistance value.

If you could have sent a stronger one to mototec now is your chance.:rob

The way I read those graphs you lost! Frk won.:comfort

You are using your customers as beta testers. Me included!

Have some class when you troll!:type

I have your last test unit and it will soon return. Tired of your 4 time "Lets try another value waltz"!:blast
Your first post… so who are you, a Troll or someone with a duel personality :D
 
Hmm!

i'll wait for my module to arrive and let my ar$e tell me if its any different before launching into any comment.

Bit of a rant for a first post, why not give MAVN a break, english is not his first language but I understand his point :rob
 
As Yonkyo mentioned earlier those Dyno results were on a 1150. I don't understand how these products work so can't comment on Mavns response. However Mavn has clearly run a 1200 on a dyno as he includes a picture of a graph on his website that shows an improvement.

So why can't he share those results (actual graph please) on this website ? He has already made money from a number of forum members based on seat-of-the-pants results and I just want to see some real evidence that it makes a difference (especially at smaller throttle openings).

If Mavn can't upload them himself I'm sure one of the forum members can help.

At the moment there seems to be a couple of members that repeat positive results and one or two that are underwhelmed.
 
Firstly, I have an 1150 - so folk can take this as they will, in the modern dept.

As others have said, fitting is of the order of 1 spanner (Haynes scale).

Cold and clear here, today. About 3 C. After fitting, riding along a low and medium speed route, I am very impressed indeed. The bike is less fussy, much more tractable and I found myself using higher gears than I would have done. Pick-up greatly improved.

Money well spnt, imho.

:clap
 
Dyno results, are in all probability irrelevant for this particular Widget - it is all about "drivability" in the real world. ie Clean pickup at low speeds, and smooth acceleration.

Whether or not it shows any improvement on well set up bikes, remains to be seen. It may be that people who find an improvement, are riding bikes that are not perfectly set up.

Regards to all,

Phil Thomas
 
I would imagine that the cooler the ambient air temp is, the less effect the module will have, as it works between a range of 0c - +50c.
:thumb2

Qiute right :thumb2

This is excactly the big problem using a serial resistor.

At low temperatures you'll see no effect (Very little enrichment), and on a hot day, your engine will run extremely rich, with the risk of "washing" the oil film from the cylinders.

Se detailed explanation here: http://www.boosterplug.com/The-Problem.html

/Jens
 
Qiute right :thumb2

This is excactly the big problem using a serial resistor.

At low temperatures you'll see no effect (Very little enrichment), and on a hot day, your engine will run extremely rich, with the risk of "washing" the oil film from the cylinders.

/Jens

Hi Jens,

I copied the following statement from your site:

"This means that within the temperature range where people actually consider riding their bikes, the serial resistor will add from 3% to 10% fuel. Not exactly the high tech solution some of the Scammers are promoting."

I guess what you're saying here is, at very hot ambient temperatures a serial resistor will add 10% more fuel.

Again I quote from your site:
"This means that if we're running the engine at 14,4:1 and we add another 6% of fuel, the calculation will look like this:
14,4 : (1 + (6 : 100)) = 13,58 : 1"


So if we make the math for 10% more fuel:

14,4: (1 + (10 : 100)) = 13,09 : 1

Are you sure running the engine at 13,09 :1 is extremely rich and will wash the oil film from the cylinders?

cheers

Tolga
 


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