Accelerator Module

went to work on the 12gs with the module fitted and straight away you can feel the bike is running smoother,and surprisingly the tingle in the bars has gone.on the m56 filtering thru slow traffic again it felt better, when i got some clear motorway i was in 6th gear 50 mph open the throttle full and the drive was definatley stronger and smoother,well happy.just need to see if the fuel economy gets better.p.s. i have had 2 1200gs now an 05 and 08 and between the two done 62,000 miles.:)


Accelerator fitted. '05 GS / 20,000 miles / de-catted with Akra end can.

Just a quick test as the weather is crap (temp = 3c). Immediate noticeable effect on slow speed riding. The on/off effect on my throttle appears to have gone and it picks up very smoothly now. Tickover at standstill is now 1,250rpm instead of 1,500. Engine feels like it's revving more freely and will pull better at lower revs. That's all for now, hopefully the weather will be better on Saturday so I can more then. So far, so good.

All good so far.:thumb
Us “Numpties” appear to reaping the benefits of this very inexpensive and clever (to me) device.:bow

Go ahead all you doubters. Spend £100+ on an essentially identical widget, wrapped in a pretty package. Or if you have a superior intellect, make your own.:mmmm

And I sincerely hope that MAVN makes a fortune on the thousands of units he’s going to shift.
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All good so far.:thumb
Us “Numpties” appear to reaping the benefits of this very inexpensive and clever (to me) device.:bow

Go ahead all you doubters. Spend £100+ on an essentially identical widget, wrapped in a pretty package. Or if you have a superior intellect, make your own.:mmmm

And I sincerely hope that MAVN makes a fortune on the thousands of units he’s going to shift.
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:) + 1. after all the 'angels on pinheads' debate on this thread, :blagblah for me the bottom line is the Accelerator does exactly what Mavn claims and at £29 is excellent value.
 
jonslh's product would seem to make sense, but I wonder how critical the temperature is once the bike is up to running temperature. The cheaper product is hidden behind the side plate and sheltered from the elements, with little draught, so I suspect that it gets quite cosy in there.
Do any of you clever bods have a device to measure the temperature in that compartment ? I'll bet that it isnt 4 degrees in there :nenau
 
Bear, hi.
Maybe this could be a time to pay your subs, or contact me some way. I have no intention of trying to market anything and propose this only as a matter of interest. See http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2133845#post2133845 , post 10-11 I think.
It seems that many folk 'in the know' dont wish to share all and fair enough if they are making money from it. I'd be quite happy to take some measurements and do some sums, I feel sure that a solution is possible.

Hi Nick. Fair point about subs. The AIT sensor is part number 13621739510 as you probably know. A Google search revealed that it is used on cars from about 1998 as well as motorcycles. What I couldn't find was any data to tell me what resistance it is at any given temperature so I might just phone a dealer to see if BMW actually publish the information. Jen's point about the engine management system converting a non-linear sensor to temperature in the thread you quoted is a good one, which makes me wonder if production economics was the reason for introducing new sensors.
 
Hi Nick. Fair point about subs. The AIT sensor is part number 13621739510 as you probably know. A Google search revealed that it is used on cars from about 1998 as well as motorcycles. What I couldn't find was any data to tell me what resistance it is at any given temperature so I might just phone a dealer to see if BMW actually publish the information. Jen's point about the engine management system converting a non-linear sensor to temperature in the thread you quoted is a good one, which makes me wonder if production economics was the reason for introducing new sensors.

Bear, drop me an email with your contact number, nickct10@yahoodotcodotuk, got a few ideas

Nick
 
mine arrived this morning care of Mr postie, and fitted it shortly after, and .......


what a difference!
low speed lurching has now gone making driving through town a breeze, also driving off road is now easier, found a few gravel lanes on my travels and noticed that its easier to hold a lower gear for longer, where i was using 2nd before, im now using 1st.

at faster speeds i didnt notice the difference that much, but the GS felt alot more eager to rev and more responsive to boot,

its not a replacement to fitting a full system and a power commander, but for 27 euros, its well worth the money, and to me anyway, makes the GS the bike it should have been,

havnt noticed any nagatives yet, but then i only rode with it fitted for approx 100miles. both slow traffic in town and b roads and motorways, but did notice that on town the temp gauge seemed to go higher faster, but then thats due to the engine running richer i suppose?

all in all, a really worthwhile investment for any "tosser"
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Thanks for the review JonyBoy.

Not to nic-pic, but a richer running engine should run cooler, not hotter, so if your bike was warming faster than normal, there is likely another explanation.

Cheers!
 
I've posted about it for the 1150 models years ago, here and on ADV rider - for free :D.

plenty of posts about it, [URL="http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199248&highlight=link"]HERE[/URL], post 11 being the latest happy punter. I'd have told how to do it on the 1200 models for free, as i have told my 1200 customers, but sworn them to silence as i was fed up with all the PM's and email questions from the 1150, so didn't want to go through all that again . :D

Steptoe, nice avatar. Get's me in the Holiday Spirit!
 
There doesn't seem to be much of an improvement with the accelerator on the 20% and 40% runs :nenau

Hi I just want to 'quick' react on the dyno performance comparison test with the Power FRK module.

First I want react on the way they write how the Power FRK module works and how misleading the info is...

<<The Power FRK Module works as follows:


It detects and interprets the engine RPMs by the alternator’s sine wave pulsing in the power supply to the IAT sensor
It interprets the rush of air as you open the throttle using the IAT sensor’s variant signal. This is how we determine load.
Using the above two variants the Power FRK Module will modify the IAT signal to call up on-board mapping in the optimal performance range based on the demand of the rush of air into the air box and the corresponding RPM.
THE POWER FRK detects the engine revolutions and the Power FRK comes into operation only when the engine revolutions increase. The Power FRK Module senses the RPM and Pressure changes in the air-box and automatically modifies the signal of the IAT sensor on acceleration only for maximum power.
As engine revolutions decrease and you are running at constant speed (Steady State) the Power FRK Module stops its IAT signal modulation. Your ECU will return to normal programming and will also allow the ECU to go into “Closed Loop Operation” mode when riding Steady State Mode.
Powerful Performance with better MPG/KPL as the combustion efficiency is enhanced by excellent flame front propagation from optimal Injection and Ignition mapping.>>


1) First have a look at their installation instructions (http://www.powerfrkusa.net/setup/bmw-installation-guides/r-1200-gs/). You will see that it is mounted between the motronic module and the temperature sensor. It has also 2 pins in the connector. Just like the ACCELERATOR module. I asked it several times from Mototech to explain how different technology their module is towards mine. Up to now no reaction! So how can the Power FRK module detect the engine RPM, the IAT sensors, MODIFY the IAT signals,etc...??? Their explanation above is just bull... The fact is that it is more or less the same way constructed as the Accelerator module. Check out various forums and they will confirm that it is just a resistor value between the 2 leads. At least I'm honnest in what the module is build off and already wrote this in this forum what is inside.

2) Having explained their technique, I want to make some remarks on the DYNO run. There are already DYNO tests available comparing the Power FRK with other same types of modules. (I can forward the link if needed). These are done by customers who bought such a Power FRK module and not done by their representatives. These results were very close (falling in the same range). I don't understand why the dyno tests were not done using Power versus RPM's, like they are usually done. It is also not so difficult to get better results. Just use different values of resistors. I could have send out a much stronger one to Mototech where the results of the accelerator should have been beter. What these tests doesn't indicate is that if you make it too strong, the richer the fuel mixture become and you will run into difficulties during the riding of your bike (= field test no dyno test), like engine shut-off during (de-)acceleration, hugh increase of fuel consumption,... You can find again this on forums. The filosofy of the Power FRK is that if a customer is not satisfied with the one that has been send, they change it with another one that has another resistance value. (just a thought that came to my mind when I saw the test results: why are there about 50 dyno runs taken? Normally you put the 2 modules in the bike and test it. Was there so many trials needed to find a version that performed better?)

3) The basic thought of the module that I created was to let the engine run smoother in low revs, nicer throttle response, ... I believe many users reports the same advantages... And this for 1/10 the price Power FRK is asking!!! So I don't think more expanation is needed. I just regret that there is no explanation that I'm wrong that their product is also just a resistor and not a very sophiscated technology. Yes it is nicer boxed, with CD...!

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I too have been lurking and reading this thread and in my opinion, you have made some good points. Seems that your product is fairly simple and marketed and priced as such, while the FRK seems to be "smoke and mirrors" at a considerably higher price.

I am sure I am opening myself up to critics as well, but it is just my opinion.
 
The booster plug is a far better solution going by the description. Should work more consistent over the seasons as well. I used to mess around with resistors years ago on early GPZ 750 turbo fuel injection systems and yes the idea is exactly the same 20 years on. The difference being then is that people made the values available to anyone who asked so it was a 50p mode not a £29. Course everyone has to make a pound these days and who can blame them. So if you have any knowledge in this field at all you can cross reference some recent posts on here and come up with your own solution for a couple of quid. To help you on your way the plugs are called junior timing plugs and are about £1.50 each. If you have no idea what I am on about then please don't mess about and break something. Go buy one of the £29 units and give someone a living, it will work and he isn't trying to con anyone but its effect will be limited. If your feeling flush then a booster plug is a better design that will have a more consistent effect but yes your going to pay a lot more for it but to be honest will take you a fair bit of messing around to get something like the boosterplug to work so fair is fair I suppose. The one option at this moment that I wouldn't recommend is the Power FRK. There is far too many question marks and inconsistent explanations over this device and until they are answered fully then I cant see it being any better than the Accelerator module but at a vastly increased price, this of course could change given the right information. What none of devices are is a replacement for a power commander. You can have a bike in any state of tune with a PC and be able to map the fuel requirement exactly to where you want. All the recent resistor modules give you is a given amount of enrichment that isn't tunable so it will either suit your bike or it wont. So in the end its up to you guys and how much you do or don't want to pay and what results your looking to achieve and from where. I hope nobody takes offence to any of this but I know at least two of the parties concerned will see it all as fair and they aren't trying to tell you anything different anyway.

IMO, well stated piece of writing.
 
That's a good idea Adrian, but I simply dont have any available BoosterPlugs at the moment.

I'm shipping the last ones this week and I'm keeping a waiting list for the next batch that will be finished around january 15. (And it will probably be sold out before)

But several of the people that decided to buy the BoosterPlug, already have some kind of resistor tuning device, so we can be pretty sure that they will compare them to the BoosterPlug - and some of them will post their experiences in the forum.

/Jens

Jens, I for one am happy to be on the waiting list.
 
But several of the people that decided to buy the BoosterPlug, already have some kind of resistor tuning device, so we can be pretty sure that they will compare them to the BoosterPlug - and some of them will post their experiences in the forum.

/Jens

If the booster were a more reasonable price, say £50 inc. p&p, then i would probably buy one. However, when compared to £26 inc. p&p, for a very similar device, then i will stick with the Accelerator.

Forget the FRK, at £200+ for a fancy box. They are simply having a larf.:pullface

Oh, and I’ve just seen a FRK module and exhaust headers for the HP2 Sport on there web site, at a cool……$2,500:yikes:blast
 
Jens ‘Power Plug’ I think is fairly priced, he has the technical background, he’s done a lot of research, designed the device and has to hand make each one, all for some £90 each, that I think is a fair price.

Ultimately, the choice is yours, I have the Accelerator module, it works very well, I’m also on the waiting list for the Booster Plug because I want to try that too.
 
Jens ‘Power Plug’ I think is fairly priced, he has the technical background, he’s done a lot of research, designed the device and has to hand make each one, all for some £90 each, that I think is a fair price.

Ultimately, the choice is yours, I have the Accelerator module, it works very well, I’m also on the waiting list for the Booster Plug because I want to try that too.

I'll be very interested to hear your evaluation report after you’ve tried them back to back.:thumb

I agree. Jens device does look very pretty and he appears to be a diamond geezer. However, Mavn must have also put a lot R&D time in. and he’s probably making less than £10 profit per unit (I bet he’s a bit gutted he didn’t ‘Fancy’ his device up a bit more, then charged 4x as much:blast).

:Motomartin
 
Jens ‘Power Plug’ I think is fairly priced, he has the technical background, he’s done a lot of research, designed the device and has to hand make each one, all for some £90 each, that I think is a fair price.

Ultimately, the choice is yours, I have the Accelerator module, it works very well, I’m also on the waiting list for the Booster Plug because I want to try that too.

Ebbo, first dibs on your Accelerator module if you decide to sell it:D Providing it will work with an 1150GS with Y piece and stock end can. :thumb
 
Ebbo, first dibs on your Accelerator module if you decide to sell it:D Providing it will work with an 1150GS with Y piece and stock end can. :thumb
Sorry Snooty, nothings for sale, I'll want to compare the two over quite a long time scale, well in to Spring and the warm weather. I'll post up whatever I find, maybe a new thread by then, who knows... :)

Good thing is the GS-911 can monitor the IAT temperature and also the ambient temperature from the cylinder head sensors, so as long as the bikes not been run you can see what the set back temperature is of any module connected :thumb
 
Good thing is the GS-911 can monitor the IAT temperature and also the ambient temperature from the cylinder head sensors, so as long as the bikes not been run you can see what the set back temperature is of any module connected :thumb

Great idea - that was actually part of my testing in the development phase :)

Remember to test the two sensors without any of the modules fitted, as the sensors may have a slight offset that will give different temperature values.

/Jens
 


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