Advanced biker YouTube whoopsie

[Toddmeister]

Is that a 'stop line' at 0:33 in the video? No mention of one in the commentary, and no acknowledgement in speed etc? or is it just a 'line in the road'?

I've seen lines like that which are part of the start, or finish, of a cycling event like a Time Trial so perhaps not a stop line.

 

[trebor]

I'm not going to comment on the riding, none of us were there so all anyone is doing is speculating.

However regarding priority to the right and that solid white line, after stepping through the video, what appears to be a road to the right, just after the solid line, would appear to be a dirt track, so I would doubt it would have priority. Further, if you continue stepping through the video another solid white line, albeit almost worn away, can be seen on the other side of the dirt track/road junction. Therefore I suspect the white line(s) are related to cycle races/time trials, with the worn one relating to a much earlier event.

 

[Boshman]

I guess the irony is that they make mention of "Using the excellent French road signs" but fail to acknowledge or ride (IMO) accordingly to a very important one!

Regarding blaming the bike, If he really though a problem with the bike stopped him making the bend would he really have just carried on and taken the next right hander with the same commitment? Would you?

"Oh I think my suspension/steering/tyres have a major issue but hey, I'll carry on riding and maybe take a look at the next coffee stop 5k down the road."

As others have said, we all make mistakes, but man up and admit it! Especially if you are going to put it on Youtube!

 

[stolzy]

That poster is wrong.

 

[Blackal]

That poster is wrong.

Oh FFS! Care to say why ? or is it some sort of secret, that you can only allude to?

 

[Sea Dog]

I'm not sure if the back wheel locked under braking, but don't these things have ABS????

It does'nt appear to sit up (classic in these situations)

It has ABS pro, specifically designed to prevent the bike 'sitting up' and going wide should the rider brake whilst cornering.

 

[Apex]

Decent recovery, Kept it between the hedges,
rural roads can catch anyone out, regardless of credentials,
Was it ok for the rest of the trip,

Was my first thought, decent recovery. Didn't lean over and brake grab, followed by a nice slide down the road. No car coming, did hard braking with the bike upright, the bikes are fine with a bit of mud aren't they. Well done him. I really disliked the Anakee tyres that came with the GSA. Horrid. Fitted some PR4's and it transformed the handling. Currently running Roadtec's, which steer brilliantly but are ' 'lively' shall we say. Back to PR4's next time round.

Does the new GS have lean sensitive abs? If so, I guess if it cut in you would end up on the other side of the road anyway in that situation.

Prepared to hear why the reason given is plausible but it looks like a blip, and we all have those don't we.


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[Apex]

I've obviously hit a nerve, and am sure the guy is a better rider than me, with loads more experience, but it's his arrogance to completely blame the bikes technology and take no responsibility for what is quite obviously rider error. As to him laughing about it afterwards, I highly doubt it.

I also blame Rick, as he's a bad omen.

Wouldn't have happened on a KTM....has anyone said that yet?


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[Flyingtiger]

A Little bit more IPSGA required I think!


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[Deleted account Aberdeen GS]

But As said Nigel is hugely experienced ex-plod class 1 etc etc so who am I to argue .....

I actually find that extraordinary if it's true.

I say that because everyone can misjudge a bend , BUT neither of two the bikes were ever really banked over. At the time the brake light comes on I think he had about 20 degrees of lean !

We can all be wise after the event , armchair critics . Its good he posted the film. However a gentle push on the inside bar would have probably seen the GS track round happily.


also ; The subsequent child like whooping on the mic shows a complete lack of understanding of the responsibility required to ride a motorbike. Both could have been brown bread if they had encountered oncoming vehicles.

Wasn't there some critical dialogue here where the same guy posted a video where he nearly collided with a pedestrian who was stood kerbside?
(I may be mistaken and apologise if I'm wrong)

Maybe "Poilce Class" 1 no longer means "jack shit" ... though i doubt it.
Maybe he's been retired too long and has neglected his training ?
What would their Police instructor have said ? Micky > ?

 

[stolzy]

Oh FFS! Care to say why ? or is it some sort of secret, that you can only allude to?

Red triangle with a black cross on a white background doesn't mean you have to give way.

It means there's a junction at which the priority is determined by priorite a droite.

 

[Giles]

Ha ha ...

I say, bloody hell .... we've all fucked up at some point haven't we? I know I've had some serious moments in my time so let he is without sin and all that ...
And also, if you think about time on the bike, how many hours you spend on it, if you ride a lot which I'm sure Nigel does then the law of averages is probably stacking up against you that sooner or later you'll have a moment.

In terms of how it's gone wrong, it looks like one of those bends thats pretty deceptive and can throw you. We all look for reference points in our bend assessment, and of course the best reference point out there is our classic limit point of converging verges or hedge rows;



That one is pretty Janet and John and doesn't get much clearer than that! The two hedgerows will move (or of course not which is what we're really interested in) and give us our reference point.


But if you look at Nigels bend, not only is there absolutely no reference point at all, but there's also a bit of a trick of the eye to it, and for me it's the corn field that just blurs all the reference points and turns them into a bit of a mush;

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Can you see how for a few seconds at 60 + mph, the road seems to just completely disappear..

Here you see Nigel first brake;

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And if you then put the second bike on that spot where Nigel first brakes and look at what Nigel is looking at when the penny first drops, you see this;

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our first real reference point of where the road is going.

So meh ... We've all been there, just a bit of a loss of concentration for a moment ... At least there wasn't any oncoming ...

 

[Jacal]

He fucked up royally 'so what'....We all chase the vanishing point (reference point)....the trick is not catching it

 

[Rushy]

Ha ha ...

I say, bloody hell .... we've all fucked up at some point haven't we? I know I've had some serious moments in my time so let he is without sin and all that ...
And also, if you think about time on the bike, how many hours you spend on it, if you ride a lot which I'm sure Nigel does then the law of averages is probably stacking up against you that sooner or later you'll have a moment.

In terms of how it's gone wrong, it looks like one of those bends thats pretty deceptive and can throw you. We all look for reference points in our bend assessment, and of course the best reference point out there is our classic limit point of converging verges or hedge rows;



That one is pretty Janet and John and doesn't get much clearer than that! The two hedgerows will move (or of course not which is what we're really interested in) and give us our reference point.


But if you look at Nigels bend, not only is there absolutely no reference point at all, but there's also a bit of a trick of the eye to it, and for me it's the corn field that just blurs all the reference points and turns them into a bit of a mush;

<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Backtoschool/i-g7FpBV3/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Backtoschool/i-g7FpBV3/1/ce84f001/O/Screen%20Shot%202017-08-05%20at%2012.58.06.jpg" alt=""></a>

Can you see how for a few seconds at 60 + mph, the road seems to just completely disappear..

Here you see Nigel first brake;

<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Backtoschool/i-9HnV3Lm/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Backtoschool/i-9HnV3Lm/0/871869e0/O/Screen%20Shot%202017-08-05%20at%2012.58.35.png" alt=""></a>

And if you then put the second bike on that spot where Nigel first brakes and look at what Nigel is looking at when the penny first drops, you see this;

<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Backtoschool/i-GNGDKPc/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Backtoschool/i-GNGDKPc/1/69342fcf/O/Screen%20Shot%202017-08-05%20at%2012.58.55.jpg" alt=""></a>

our first real reference point of where the road is going.

So meh ... We've all been there, just a bit of a loss of concentration for a moment ... At least there wasn't any oncoming ...

Wot Giles said, plus it's also a bit hard to judge from the wide angle camera but I reckon that the road drops away and with a negative camber which can also convince the very best rider that there is going to be a grip/lean issue.

I comment as a completely shit slow in quicker out type of rider who most people can ride rings around and who still has moments like the one above despite going in slow ...... (I do usually manage to keep it on the black stuff though )

 

[Engineer]

We all make the occasional error, but surely an advanced rider should not make the most basics of mistakes of not slowing down for a corner that they can't read?

Are advanced rider types periodically retested in order to maintain their status?

 

[Warlord]

We all make the occasional error, but surely an advanced rider should not make the most basics of mistakes of not slowing down for a corner that they can't read?

Are advanced rider types periodically retested in order to maintain their status?

It isn't a status. It's confirmation of applied skills.

 

[Engineer]

It isn't a status. It's confirmation of applied skills.

Ok, but is periodic retesting required?

 

[XPilot]

Ok, but is periodic retesting required?

If you pass the IAM test that is it, no retest required. But you probably won't take the test unless you have a sensible head on your shoulders and sound road skills. That is not to say you can't make a mistake - no one is perfect. A good operator in any profession acknowledges this and learns from their mistakes - it was surprising that the rider here blamed the bike instead of admitting what is pretty clear - like all of us have done or will do; he made an error.
There are plenty of people out there on the roads on 2 and 4 wheels who are in clear need of some refresher training that's for sure.

 

[Mr Bean]

Ok, but is periodic retesting required?

Every three years with RoSPA

 

[PDiddy]

Every three years with RoSPA

and every 5 years with the IAM if you do the Masters.