Every 3 years with the IAM if you choose to take up 'Fellow' membership. However, even with ordinary membership you can retake the test as often as you like if you so wish.
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Every 3 years with the IAM if you choose to take up 'Fellow' membership. However, even with ordinary membership you can retake the test as often as you like if you so wish.
But am I right in thinking there is no need for a regular retest after passing the initial IAM advanced test?
Ha ha ...
I say, bloody hell .... we've all fucked up at some point haven't we? I know I've had some serious moments in my time so let he is without sin and all that ...
And also, if you think about time on the bike, how many hours you spend on it, if you ride a lot which I'm sure Nigel does then the law of averages is probably stacking up against you that sooner or later you'll have a moment.
In terms of how it's gone wrong, it looks like one of those bends thats pretty deceptive and can throw you. We all look for reference points in our bend assessment, and of course the best reference point out there is our classic limit point of converging verges or hedge rows;
That one is pretty Janet and John and doesn't get much clearer than that! The two hedgerows will move (or of course not which is what we're really interested in) and give us our reference point.
But if you look at Nigels bend, not only is there absolutely no reference point at all, but there's also a bit of a trick of the eye to it, and for me it's the corn field that just blurs all the reference points and turns them into a bit of a mush;
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Can you see how for a few seconds at 60 + mph, the road seems to just completely disappear..
Here you see Nigel first brake;
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And if you then put the second bike on that spot where Nigel first brakes and look at what Nigel is looking at when the penny first drops, you see this;
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our first real reference point of where the road is going.
So meh ...We've all been there, just a bit of a loss of concentration for a moment ... At least there wasn't any oncoming ...
Of course - Nigel saw all those points at the same time as the camera did, not from where he is 'in the camera shot'
PDiddy
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Correct, unfortunately a lot of the old guard have a missguided belief that they never need retesting ....
And if you're an Observer with the IAM and take the IMI regulated National Observer qualification it's also a retest every 5 years.
POL382
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RoSPA has three pass grades for the Advanced test, Gold, Silver and Bronze, so folk are usually coming back after three years to improve their grade.
I was a RoSPA Examiner for 7 years and there aren't many Gold's about, or at least I didn't award many!
I was a RoSPA Examiner for 7 years and there aren't many Gold's about, or at least I didn't award many!
The vast majority of the driving population pass a much less demanding compulsory test and are not required to have a retest. Why would the IAM advanced test, which is voluntary, be any different? I'd suggest that most advanced riders/drivers do continue to use or hone their skills and many undertake further training and/or tests, but I'm pretty certain no-one retakes their basic training or test without some compulsion. You appear to be having a dig at those who have taken more than average interest in the standard of their riding or driving, which seems an odd thing to do.
In my opinion its ALL bullshit anyway, and seriously lost its path.
Absolutely not. I have a IAM F1RST pass from 2 years ago, but had to check there wasn't a requirement for any retest to maintain that qualification after reading a couple of the posts. IAM have introduced new levels for membership that I wasn't aware of hence my question.
phooey
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Advanced riding is about applying a systematic formula to your riding. It's good but it's not perfect.
Why not?
Because it uses primarily what your eyes see to determine how you respond. The eye can be deceived. So occasionally we ALL fuck up, to varying degrees.
If you care to add an individual's personality traits into the mix you get less fu's or more fu's depending on their nature.
The biggest factor IME, in determining whether a trained rider will remain relatively safe is whether they have the self restraint to consistently apply the system with a degree of caution or whether they like to 'let their hair down a bit' now and then. I'm the latter but I recognise the fact and remind myself not to get sloppy.
I don't always take my own advice.
Big fat plus one . Why do so many people enjoy having a pop when we are all human after all. And your first sentence needs definitely needs addressing I.e compulsory advanced training for car drivers (it's much harder to get a bike license already ) and retesting every 10yrs for all .
I wasn't having a pop ! If you had read my earlier response you might not have posted this unreasonable reply.
Succinctly put and very honest.
It's all bullshit.
Institute of Advanced Motorists allow you to become a member and so long as you PAY YOUR SUBCRIPTION every year there is no need to retest. Skills for Life they call it.
RoSPA want you to retest every 3 years or you fall back to being an Associate and your riding skill is not acknowledged any more.
In any event, it's all bullshit.
I've been out on rideouts with both groups and they all exceed the speed limits by some margin.
I've seen RoSPA Gold riders crash. I've seen IAM riders crash.
Ego and Alpha Male syndrome bringing out the very worst in a manipulated hierarchy of a dictatorship, and downright bullying at times.
They've lost the most important aspect to all of this... the STUDENT is the most important person there !!!
They all ride like nutters when let of the leash, including Senior Examiners and POLICE Grade 1. I've seen it way to often over the years.
It isn't fun anymore when 'some' of these groups cant get out of there own arse and power tripping to see it.
Institute of Advanced Motorists allow you to become a member and so long as you PAY YOUR SUBCRIPTION every year there is no need to retest. Skills for Life they call it.
RoSPA want you to retest every 3 years or you fall back to being an Associate and your riding skill is not acknowledged any more.
In any event, it's all bullshit.
I've been out on rideouts with both groups and they all exceed the speed limits by some margin.
I've seen RoSPA Gold riders crash. I've seen IAM riders crash.
Ego and Alpha Male syndrome bringing out the very worst in a manipulated hierarchy of a dictatorship, and downright bullying at times.
They've lost the most important aspect to all of this... the STUDENT is the most important person there !!!
They all ride like nutters when let of the leash, including Senior Examiners and POLICE Grade 1. I've seen it way to often over the years.
It isn't fun anymore when 'some' of these groups cant get out of there own arse and power tripping to see it.
Funny, I thought it was exactly the reverse - you sacrifice positin for safety.....
Example of NEVER sacrificing position fo rsafety:
You take a left hander, position is by the white line...artic truck with wide load coming the other way....but buggered if you are going to lose your position just for the sake of a bit of safety.....ME? I would move out of the way of the D9 on the low loader, thereby sacrificing my position, but keeping safe in the process.
Perhaps I have it all wrong and I am supposed to maintain my line come what may and have my head ripped off by the big, wide load.
You are entirely correct - although I think SA9819 probably simply misquoted himself. At least I hope that's what he did !
You are exactly right. Some people do not know what they are talking about.
One of my issues with Advanced Riding position is in the wet.
Firstly your braking distances double. But RARELY do I see lower cornering speeds in the wet. With a common answer that modern tyres can handle it.
My response, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Your braking distance is still double. Have you ever walked the 60mph 'stopping distance' away from your bike and looked back. It a fooking long way. Then apply that to a corner visibility and double it.
Then my next issue is dry road in the centre but wet everywhere else. Riders coming off the dry road onto the wet for position? Why? You've now compromised your braking distance way more than your 2 feet of extra view.
But just my opinion.
why not ask him ?
I thought one of the people on here said they know him, so why not ask him for his thoughts now that he would have had time to consider the incident ?
Just a thought ........ he may have even said what he did as a sarcastic comment, knowing full well that he was to blame ?
Reminds me of my crash in Portugal, road was dusty and had loose gravel on it, but if I had been concentrating, I would have seen that.
I was too busy looking at my sat nav !!!! so totally my fault.
I thought one of the people on here said they know him, so why not ask him for his thoughts now that he would have had time to consider the incident ?
Just a thought ........ he may have even said what he did as a sarcastic comment, knowing full well that he was to blame ?
Reminds me of my crash in Portugal, road was dusty and had loose gravel on it, but if I had been concentrating, I would have seen that.
I was too busy looking at my sat nav !!!! so totally my fault.
Thank you for affirming my thoughts - but even if you had disagreed with me, I would still be moving over!
Is it safe to go and look at the video now, the one that started all this? Unfortunately, I have had the time to sit and read every reply, but I haven't dared go and watch the video in case it was a bit, er, graphic. I am still smarting and getting flashbacks and was unsure about watching people come to grief.
