Advanced biker YouTube whoopsie

Warlord said:
It's all bullshit.

Institute of Advanced Motorists allow you to become a member and so long as you PAY YOUR SUBCRIPTION every year there is no need to retest. Skills for Life they call it.

RoSPA want you to retest every 3 years or you fall back to being an Associate and your riding skill is not acknowledged any more.

In any event, it's all bullshit.

I've been out on rideouts with both groups and they all exceed the speed limits by some margin.

I've seen RoSPA Gold riders crash. I've seen IAM riders crash.

Ego and Alpha Male syndrome bringing out the very worst in a manipulated hierarchy of benevolent dictatorship, and downright bullying at times.

They've lost the most important aspect to all of this... the STUDENT is the most important person there !!!

They all ride like nutters when let of the leash, including Senior Examiners and POLICE Grade 1. I've seen it way to often over the years.

It isn't fun anymore when 'some' of these groups cant get out of there own arse and power tripping to see it.
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Yep, seen it myself. Not only in motorcycling.
For some, self-importance and ego are part of the territory when marking their superiority over others.
They must be very insecure.
 
Warlord said:
You are exactly right. Some people do not know what they are talking about.

One of my issues with Advanced Riding position is in the wet.

Firstly your braking distances double.
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Where is your source if information for this. Total garbage.

Warlord said:
But RARELY do I see lower cornering speeds in the wet. With a common answer that modern tyres can handle it.

My response, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Your braking distance is still double. Have you ever walked the 60mph 'stopping distance' away from your bike and looked back. It a fooking long way. Then apply that to a corner visibility and double it.

Then my next issue is dry road in the centre but wet everywhere else. Riders coming off the dry road onto the wet for position? Why? You've now compromised your braking distance way more than your 2 feet of extra view.

But just my opinion.
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And where are you getting your data from about how far it takes to stop at 60mph? Off the back of the Highway code? Might as well be off the back of a packet of cereal.
 
Phwew, not as bad as I thought.

Maybe it is the video, but if I were on holiday in France I wouldn't be riding that fast anyway. There were rain spots on the visor too. I did notice that while I was riding with them, my eye was drawn to the white van with its back doors open, just before th ened. Could that be the source of the distraction? Leading riding looked away from the road to see what the van was up to and so was in the bend before having a chance to assess it?
The right hander was slightly downhill too, so the camber could have had a bearing on it. One thing I have learned over the years is that video cameras distort perspective. Out sea kayaking n pretty rough waves and a video camera, or even a point and squirt, flattens the sea off completely, to the point it removes the waves and turns them into ripples. So judging anything by looking at a video is difficult, especially one with a fairly wide angle of view.
 
Warlord said:
You are exactly right. Some people do not know what they are talking about.

One of my issues with Advanced Riding position is in the wet.

Firstly your braking distances double. But RARELY do I see lower cornering speeds in the wet. With a common answer that modern tyres can handle it.

My response, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Your braking distance is still double. Have you ever walked the 60mph 'stopping distance' away from your bike and looked back. It a fooking long way. Then apply that to a corner visibility and double it.

Then my next issue is dry road in the centre but wet everywhere else. Riders coming off the dry road onto the wet for position? Why? You've now compromised your braking distance way more than your 2 feet of extra view.

But just my opinion.
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First bit right. You should be able to stop on the tarmac you have an uninterrupted view of. Wet, dry, covered in mud etc..

Second bit right in the scenario as presented but,...

Providing the trade off between view braking ( stopping ) distance doesn't add up. When the view gained exceeds the greater braking distance and is not compromising safety in other respects I'll have the extra vision every time.

Also just my opinion.
 
King Rat said:
Phwew, not as bad as I thought.

Maybe it is the video, but if I were on holiday in France I wouldn't be riding that fast anyway. There were rain spots on the visor too. I did notice that while I was riding with them, my eye was drawn to the white van with its back doors open, just before th ened. Could that be the source of the distraction? Leading riding looked away from the road to see what the van was up to and so was in the bend before having a chance to assess it?
The right hander was slightly downhill too, so the camber could have had a bearing on it. One thing I have learned over the years is that video cameras distort perspective. Out sea kayaking n pretty rough waves and a video camera, or even a point and squirt, flattens the sea off completely, to the point it removes the waves and turns them into ripples. So judging anything by looking at a video is difficult, especially one with a fairly wide angle of view.
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Works the other way round too. Small surf can look monstrous without perspective.
 
Godzilla said:
Where is your source if information for this. Total garbage.



And where are you getting your data from about how far it takes to stop at 60mph? Off the back of the Highway code? Might as well be off the back of a packet of cereal.
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So wheres your data to support your Total Garbage statement.

Also remember your braking distances are seriously worsened by low tyre tread, extra weight, surface conditions and a million other dynamics that you should have considered.

And remember the Twat behind you has to stop in time.
 
Warlord said:
So wheres your data to support your Total Garbage statement.

Also remember your braking distances are seriously worsened by low tyre tread, extra weight, surface conditions and a million other dynamics that you should have considered.
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You made the original statement, if you are going to do that you need to back it tup and prove it with data or is it really just plucked out of the air. Lets get back to your original statement before we confuse this issue with other variables.
 
Warlord said:
It's all bullshit.

Institute of Advanced Motorists allow you to become a member and so long as you PAY YOUR SUBCRIPTION every year there is no need to retest. Skills for Life they call it.

RoSPA want you to retest every 3 years or you fall back to being an Associate and your riding skill is not acknowledged any more.

In any event, it's all bullshit.

I've been out on rideouts with both groups and they all exceed the speed limits by some margin.

I've seen RoSPA Gold riders crash. I've seen IAM riders crash.

Ego and Alpha Male syndrome bringing out the very worst in a manipulated hierarchy of a dictatorship, and downright bullying at times.

They've lost the most important aspect to all of this... the STUDENT is the most important person there !!!

They all ride like nutters when let of the leash, including Senior Examiners and POLICE Grade 1. I've seen it way to often over the years.

It isn't fun anymore when 'some' of these groups cant get out of there own arse and power tripping to see it.
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I think that is much less the case these days, certainly with the group I am with. The observers take great pride in improving peoples' riding and the vast majority of associates have a good experience and learn something (sometimes quite a lot) along the way.

There will always be some people who have egos bigger than their riding skill, but it is easy to work out who they are and I just chose not to ride with them.
 
I've just worked it out.
I KNOW WHAT IS WRONG AND WHY THEY HAD THEIR MOMENTS. ;)









They're on 1200s. Wouldn't have happened had they been on 1150s. :thumby:
 
Godzilla said:
You made the original statement, if you are going to do that you need to back it tup and prove it with data or is it really just plucked out of the air. Lets get back to your original statement before we confuse this issue with other variables.
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Its not just plucked out the air, its a well known quoted statement.

Have you passed your riding test yet?

Google it, it's not a mystery
 
It has reached 10 pages :JB

Pure and simple lack of concentration and not riding a superior 1150 :D all in the name of humbleness.
 
Blackal said:
Of course - Nigel saw all those points at the same time as the camera did, not from where he is 'in the camera shot'
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As per usual a very good insight into it and also as you said the longer you ride the increase in likelihood of a moment
 
Im more impressed that he held it and managed to pull it out of the rough. The other guy did follow him in a bit though.

My lad used to do that to me when we rode together, he was a bit good and every now and then, if he was ahead he would do something like that for ' a laugh' I would observe from my side of the road....(mostly...) When asked WTF he was doing his reply was "Just checking you're awake Dad."

One question, if he thought it was bike failure why did he not haul on the brakes and stop... Looks to me more like "Whoops, best carry on.... awake!"
 
I think its just pilot error ... he has simply misjudged the bend. Crikey, we are all human and I have no doubt we've all been there.
 
XPilot said:
Absolutely not. I have a IAM F1RST pass from 2 years ago, but had to check there wasn't a requirement for any retest to maintain that qualification after reading a couple of the posts. IAM have introduced new levels for membership that I wasn't aware of hence my question.
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Sorry matey, your genuine question was amongst a fair bit of bashing those who chose to try to raise their riding standards, so I mistook your motive.

You need to keep paying to retain your IAM membership, of course, but I'd suggest your riding standards are unaffected and neither does non membership preclude further training or tests should you elect to do them.

One positive about letting your membership lapse is the lack of the regular magazine where members to write in to whine about stuff - not least because it stops you from being tempted into buying one of those wooden bead driver's seat covers or a big slipper you put both feet in. ;)
 
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