Africa Twin Slays GS in Bike Mag Full Test

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Gromit said:
How does the AT compare to the 800 adventure?

With people saying it lacks the refinery and power of the 12 is the 8 a better comparison?
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I'd say that you were right to suggest that it is arguably a better comparison. The AT is closer in power and price to the 800GSA.
Personally I believe that many 12GS owners overbike themselves because they have to own the big GS rather than its baby brother. Thats why I think the AT could be a very good alternative for them.
 
Engineer said:
The AT clearly lacks grunt and is useless for pillions but I bet it pips the GS off-road. .
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As I said before you and Arsey as bad as each other , him at one end of the scale and you at the other.

The AT is not "useless " for pillions. There are possibly better bikes for a pillion and there are also much, much worse. You are also mostly basing that statement on the comments of that one pillion in Bike.

It does not "clearly lack grunt" . Its a pokey 1000cc twin so it definitely does not lack grunt. More than enough for most real world situations , but less than some of the new breed of larger capacity "fast" Adventure bikes.

You both need to stop all this hyperbole ( talking bollox ) , it's getting a bit repetitive :sleep:sleep:sleep.
 
It isn't just Bike mag that says it lacks grunt, virtually all the road tests have said the same :)

Just thought I'd liven things up a bit :)
 
Outtomunch said:
How can a 1000cc bike lack grunt?

What a load of bollox......

Andres
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Easily - was out on the GS today, any gear, lovely jubbly great gobs of grunt - even at 95 in top still loads of shove for over taking - perfect for loaded up touring - look at the torque of the GS LC much, much higher than the AT - which explains why the GS slays the AT in roll on tests - the extra 200cc makes all the difference. The only way to get the same performance with a smaller less torquey engine is to lower gearing and make it rev higher.
 
Engineer said:
Easily - was out on the GS today, any gear, lovely jubbly great gobs of grunt - even at 95 in top still loads of shove for over taking - perfect for loaded up touring - look at the torque of the GS LC much, much higher than the AT - which explains why the GS slays the AT in roll on tests - the extra 200cc makes all the difference. The only way to get the same performance with a smaller less torquey engine is to lower gearing and make it rev higher.
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So?

My 1190R is the 'same again' quicker than your WC (and even more so as it's been Hilltopped). That's like me saying your WC is lacking in grunt 'cos my 1190R is more powerful.

So?

I was referring to the point you were making that the AT (which you've not ridden) is a 1000cc twin so hardly lacking in grunt in the great scheme of things.

Andres
 
Outtomunch said:
So?

My 1190R is the 'same again' quicker than your WC (and even more so as it's been Hilltopped). That's like me saying your WC is lacking in grunt 'cos my 1190R is more powerful.

So?

I was referring to the point you were making that the AT (which you've not ridden) is a 1000cc twin so hardly lacking in grunt in the great scheme of things.

Andres
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What is 'the great scheme of things'? the AT lacks grunt compared to the GS, that is unequivocal, therefore it hardly 'slays the GS' which was the inference in the title of the thread. The 1190R is more powerful than the GS but we are not comparing those two bikes here. The only area where the AT might be a better bike than the GS is one up off-road, in almost all other respects it is not as good.
 
Engineer said:
What is 'the great scheme of things'? the AT lacks grunt compared to the GS, that is unequivocal, therefore it hardly 'slays the GS' which was the inference in the title of the thread. The 1190R is more powerful than the GS but we are not comparing those two bikes here. The only area where the AT might be a better bike than the GS is one up off-road, in almost all other respects it is not as good.
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Fair enough.

From here on in I shall refer to the WC as a bike that 'lacks grunt' 'cos my current bike is significantly more powerful than it (and they are the same displacement to boot) :thumb

Andres
 
Outtomunch said:
Fair enough.

From here on in I shall refer to the WC as a bike that 'lacks grunt' 'cos my current bike is significantly more powerful than it (and they are the same displacement to boot) :thumb

Andres
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The 1190 is higher capacity than the GS LC, also you are confusing grunt with power - power is the rate of work and everything else being equal is purely dependent on revs, more revs, more power, I think the 1190 has a slightly higher rev limit than the GS too. The AT lacks grunt compared to the GS doesn't it?
 
Time to get ready to go out for dinner - we can carry on with this interesting discussion later.
 
Andres,

You're fighting a losing battle trying to have a reasoned debate with Engineer.He's the new Flyer of the forum and will argue till he's blue in the face defending his bloody GS.

I started this thread for a giggle as it would obviously get a response from all the blinkered GS owners.

How dare Bike mag prefer the Africa Twin !! Engineer might actually understand if he left the house and actually test rode an Africa Twin rather than base his worthless rantings on paper 'facts and figures'.But now,he'll keep banging on here for ever more.

If power and grunt is his be all and end all then don't buy a GS-you get an 1190 or 1290 which has REAL power and stupid crazy grunt.

If you want a beautifully balanced bike which has been developed by real enthusiasts then get an Africa Twin-just read Timolgra's review to see what a decent experienced rider thinks of it.

If you haven't got the capacity to think outside the box,and if you must join the rest of the lemmings heading to tesco with 3 boxes attached and lights blazing then get the mediocre middle of the road bike that comes from Germany (but with Indian build quality).

You pay your money and make your choice......
 
I have to say .....

That what frustrates me in all this debate, is that judgement is being passed .... having not ridden the body thing!!!

I am guilty of taking the piss out of the Harley boys and their bikes, but in truth, I am in no place to tell 'em how shite their bikes are ..... cos I've never ridden one :rob

Ride the fucking bike !!!! Then ... then .... you can pass judgement with some degree of authority.


For what it's worth, I thought the gem of the AT which knocked spots off the GS was it's chassis. It has a wonderful feel about it. You won't get that, know that, understand that ..... unless you actually ride it ...

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Giles said:
I have to say .....

That what frustrates me in all this debate, is that judgement is being passed .... having not ridden the body thing!!!

I am guilty of taking the piss out of the Harley boys and their bikes, but in truth, I am in no place to tell 'em how shite their bikes are ..... cos I've never ridden one :rob

Ride the fucking bike !!!! Then ... then .... you can pass judgement with some degree of authority.


For what it's worth, I thought the gem of the AT which knocked spots off the GS was it's chassis. It has a wonderful feel about it. You won't get that, know that, understand that ..... unless you actually ride it ...

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Your forgetting the basic rules of tosserdom.

Don't forget the motto ...

" A knowing tosser is a knowledgable tosser "

The true tosser doesn't need a test ride, for instance I went to my local Honda dealership to view the new Honda AT.
I merely touched it, had a sniff of the metal and plastics, kicked the tyres and came to the immediate conclusion it was far inferior to the original of which I happen to own with 2k miles on the clock, its the greatest and original XRV 750 RD07 Africa Twin !




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