Alarm or big chain

[cabby]

Made I larf did that



and again

Alarms or chains?
My 1150GSA had a Datatool alarm/immobiliser,not a moment's trouble whilst I owned the bike,wonder if it's let it's new owner down at all
No alarm on my 1200GSA but they are fitted with such a good immobiliser that sometimes even the owner with the correct key can't get 'em to go
I've had an almax chain for a couple of years now,no toytown squire lock though-mine has an Ingersoll enclosed shackle lock,but as has been said it's only a deterrent,if a pro thief wants your bike he's having it

please explain what a pro thief has that renders these so called "uncropable" chains so useless??
In 99% of occassions isnt the chain and lock/alarm going to be enough. The remaining 1% of bad luck a naked elvis riding a double decker on a meteorite is just going to win what ever...
????

 

[AdamA]

please explain what a pro thief has that renders these so called "uncropable" chains so useless??

Hydraulic croppers which exert WAY more pressure.
Very cold liquid gas, which freezes the metal and makes it very brittle.
Oxy acetylene torch which cuts it in seconds.
Angle grinder if they think there will be enough time before someone hears it and gets to them.

He is correct.
If they want your bike they will get it.
All the security won't change that, except they will go for the easy target, so if yours is a bit harder to get than one down the road they will go for that.

 

[2 wheel humvee]

please explain what a pro thief has that renders these so called "uncropable" chains so useless??

Years of experience,a willing accomplice or 2 or 3,a van full of tools of the trade and brass neck! Many-vehicles are now stolen by burgling the owners home for the keys either while the owners are out or asleep
A friend of mine had a jet ski stolen from his garage at his home,the garage was alarmed and the ski was chained to a trailer which was chained to a ground anchor,the thieves somehow (without disturbing anyone) got the ski out of the garage and over a pair of 6ft gates, then down the drive without damaging any of the closely parked 3 cars and away! Very ingenious
My view of any anti theft device is that it may make any prospective thief look for an easier target

 

[bustupbiker]

Can I go on your list too. I'm new here but it's only a matter of time

Can i bag third place please?:

 

[cabby]

Hydraulic croppers which exert WAY more pressure.
Very cold liquid gas, which freezes the metal and makes it very brittle.
Oxy acetylene torch which cuts it in seconds.
Angle grinder if they think there will be enough time before someone hears it and gets to them.

He is correct.
If they want your bike they will get it.
All the security won't change that, except they will go for the easy target, so if yours is a bit harder to get than one down the road they will go for that.

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Thanks AdamA
As you put it like that , I see how so many thefts are successful. I suppose I , like a lot of people try to prevent a bike being taken whilst way from home , perhaps parked outside a friends place on street somewhere. Not sure how many scum bags cruise around tooled up with some of the above list in their van on spec. Or case out a potential bike and follow it to nick it at home address. During the day I would hope that a high spec chain and alarm will deter most. At night its a different story. Now I know why the insurance premium is so high on these bikes..

 

[Decster]

.During the day I would hope that a high spec chain and alarm will deter most.

add to it that it is a GS and should be used, therefore not shining like the day it came out of the showroom, these bikes look good dirty and therefore less blingy to the common scumbag bike thief...well thats my theory.....as i'm too lazy to wash it

 

[GS TRV]

Does anyone steal a GS??

 

[tonedef]

I'd like to see how an Almax would stand up to an Angle grinder .
Now that De Walt broke the unwritten agreement amongst toolmakers NOT to make a cordless angle grinder. it's been open house for the towrag thieving pikey bastards.
Within 6 months, from NO Cordless angle grinders to today > 14.4v Makita available for £200
They are top of thieving bastards Xmas lists

£449 cost, but could be recovered in one fecking night

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....akeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:uk

Why didn't they ban the feckers, as was wanted by the security and insurance businesses.
any fecker caught with one of them ought to [IMHO] be charged with "going equipped "

But if yer bike's anything like mine it's chained to a Hardie anchor with an Almax chain/Squire lock combo, Abus through the front wheel........................................................and parked about four foot from a double socket. Who needs battery tools when I supply the power for free

 

[Ollie GBR]

I have the Oxford Monster with ground anchor.
After watching the YouTube videos, think I should replace it
Was very impressed with the Almax, until I saw this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJQugYD2v2E&feature=related

No good then

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Alarms are IMHO are a waste of money.

Ground anchor, chain from a decent locksmiths (often better and cheaper than motorcycle specific stuff) and a Rotalock padlock.

Coupled with a few other security measures and an 'Alarm Mine' your pride and joy is going to be resonably safe

As others have said, there is no ultimate protection, it's all about causing the most hassle and longest amount of time to nick the bike.

Andres

 

[AdamA]

Was very impressed with the Almax, until I saw this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJQugYD2v2E&feature=related

No good then

As that lock is neither of the two locks Almax sell with their chains, why would it alter your thoughts on Almax's products?

 

[Ollie GBR]

As that lock is neither of the two locks Almax sell with their chains, why would it alter your thoughts on Almax's products?

Looks incredably like the one on Almax website, I don't know.
My point is that if locks can be picked that easily, doesn't matter how strong your chain is
Don't misunderstand me, I'm all for the Almax after watching the videos, (and being the owner of an Oxford Monster), but doubt has been cast

Cheers
Ollie

 

[STUBBS]

all locks can be picked or by passed given enough time and with the right tools and training most bike thieves would rather go for the unlocked bike rather than waste time picking locks or forcing them. chain every time

 

[AdamA]

Looks incredably like the one on Almax website, I don't know.

Looks but isn't. It's an older model with a far lower security rating.

My point is all locks can't be picked that easily.
The higher the rating the harder they are to pick, cut, freeze, drill, bump.

You want scary vids, search for "lock bumping".

 

[D6]

i did,and made one , its easy to do ,isnt it!
thankfully its only for normal , old style locks, like on my garage, (now changed)

 

[AdamA]

i did,and made one , its easy to do ,isnt it!
thankfully its only for normal , old style locks, like on my garage, (now changed)

Aye, worryingly easy to do, with little skill and no tools.

 

[theEnglishman]

i use a chain hardened with stellite rods, i did it myself at work, it takes an angle grinder 3 times longer to get through a chain with this coating, every second counts

Would you care to describe the process? I'm just curious....

 

[D6]

its a bit like brazing, took ages to do and it looks a bit grotty now, but v tough

 

[Blackal]

i use a chain hardened with stellite rods, i did it myself at work, it takes an angle grinder 3 times longer to get through a chain with this coating, every second counts

Have you tried a bolt cropper or hammer on the end link to see how the chain now stands up to impact/notching after it has been heated with the stellite application?

I wouldn't expect it to fare so well now?

Al

 

[ovenpaa]

We used to take lengths of steam pipe, cut V's into them for teeth and get the welders to stellite tip the ends for cutting big holes through brick walls for armoured cables. This was normally before any power had arrived as we were laying it in. (1970s)

They worked very well and normally it was the bit you hit that mushroomed and failed first.