We did a 30km MTB ride around Penmachno on Saturday, and kept passing and being passed by a group of roadies (their term, not ours) At one point, about a third of the way round, they commented on being more knackered doing this than on a 100 mile road ride. Made my day, until we came to the next fire road climb and they left me for dead. 
Mark
Mark



Unfortunatley, I forgot my padded undershorts, and I'm walking like John Wayne today!