But an extra 7 hp doesn't mean anything to performance. If it's at 8k rpm you'll never notice it except for an extra 2 mph top speed. When you hit the throttle at a typical cruising 4k rpm you're only delivering around 60 hp to the wheel and unless the extra 7hp is being delivered at that rpm then it's irrelevant . Even then it's only torque that makes a bike surge forward. The 1300 delivers 95% of it's maximum torque at 1500rpm and peaks at around 6k rpm. This is what makes a bike fast. If you're going to claim a horsepower increase you need to show the dyno chart. You may well have gained 7hp at max rpm but lost 7lbs of torque right where you need it. Post your dyno chart.Well his bike was on the ramp in 2017 and I had to wait for Geoff to finish it before he did mine .Was watching him tweak the fuelling as he worked. Could have all been a giant ruse of course
Geoff then did my 1290R.
Did a base run ,then remapped it with a gain of nearly 7bhp.
He’s also done a few of my other bikes. Always made a difference . Yet people still claim he’s a fake. It does make me laugh.
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The remap smoothed out the torque curve and made the fuelling better . The power ( and torque gain ) gain was a bonus .
It was 8 years ago and I no longer have the bike or the dyno chart. It was merely a comment on the few on here who like to think Hilltop is a fake .
From memory on my 1250 the re map smoothed the fueling out and did increase the power as per the dyno. The gains were the smooth torque curve gain by better non restrictive mapping and tweeks. I was very happy and had a better feeling bike. Its not about HP but more on allowing the engine to breath and perform as it was originally intended to before the Euro got tight , and release the strangled power.
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For those that are interested in charts and results BHP UK have several YouTube vids on the changes they make to the R1300gs.
bhp uk r1300 - Suchen Videos
for the people that like everything stock, Move along nothing to see!
Brilliant guess, actually a 5.7 L dohc v8. Pulls a 2 bike trailer at 80 mph all day, 9 - 12 mpg
I'm not sure you understand what slavery is
From following loads of threads about Hilltop the points I picked up are, several have taken the ecu flash approach for GS both 1200 and 1250 and had the an ecu before and after analysis. Those who have done this claim, no map nothing different.
This is maybe just the BMW map product.
I don't think Hilltop would survive if it was all smoke and mirrors, it just wouldn't be possible.
This is maybe just the BMW map product.
I don't think Hilltop would survive if it was all smoke and mirrors, it just wouldn't be possible.
The proof is in the video. Dyno charts are legit, the difference is clearly demonstrated.
Are you boxerlust under a new name? What video?
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We were talking about Hilltop, that video is from BHP. Nobody is disputing motorcycles can be mapped on a dyno. I used to race, so have had many cars mapped. There was a lot of negative posts about whether Hilltop were actually doing anything with their "magic" map for the 1200 and 1250 boxers. The point I was making is, (have no personal experience of Hilltop), but Hilltop wouldn't still be in business if they couldn't dyno or map bikes. The question is if they can do the business with the BMW Boxer engines without a dyno run.
I suppose you could get the re-map but you'd want to see their dyno research before.
I wouldn't expect they would have to dyno your bike unless their map is experimental or they don't have a firm grasp on how they're accessing the ecu and all the implications of the particular ecu. If you're re-mapping with a particular exhaust system then I think any tuner would have your bike on the dyno maybe all day. I wouldn't doubt huge hp and torque gains with a race exhaust and re-map. maybe 20 or more hp
And you worry about mapping a bike . And yes a being English we do understand slavery as we only just paid the bill off for freedom.
Exactly that.
They claim better fuelling and never measure efr on a dyno
Do it. Dyno a bike, get it hilltopped and then do another dyno.
There will be no change.
They also claim bmw cant overwrite the software as its in a hidden partition. Complete shite
There used to be discount group days on here. They have stopped for some reason.
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Agree. A tax on the Gullible 
The Dyno run I had did have AFR shown on it below the power and torque graph , if i remember it was corrected from the standard along with the power / torque curve. This is similar to one I had done years ago.
Last year I recommended Geoff at Hilltop to a friend of mine who has a KTM 1190, he is a very knowledgable lad who certainly knows a thing or two when it comes to engines. This was his message to me following his visit:-
Make of that what you will.
I don't suppose anyone knows of a discount code for BHPUK by any chance?
Anyone know why the forum doesnt do discount days any moreWell his bike was on the ramp in 2017 and I had to wait for Geoff to finish it before he did mine .Was watching him tweak the fuelling as he worked. Could have all been a giant ruse of course
Geoff then did my 1290R.
Did a base run ,then remapped it with a gain of nearly 7bhp.
He’s also done a few of my other bikes. Always made a difference . Yet people still claim he’s a fake. It does make me laugh.
From memory, they were organised by a forum member, nothing to do with UKGSER.
All I know is that my 1200 GSA ran ok but poor at low revs right out of the dealers box, a trip to Hilltop transformed the machine into something much more useable. One very happy bunny here.
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