Big pile of dogshit

I’m off to France next month on my NC750X, thinking about what ‘ emergency’ tools/equipment I’ll take.
That’ll just be a puncture repair kit then .:LOL:
I can’t believe how many people are just GS lemmings. :blast If you need to piss about fitting new batteries/relays etc it’s not worth having it.
I had 5 new BMW boxers between 2010 and 2019 (gs, rt, 2 x lc gs and a 1250gs) each newer version was a bit poorer quality than the previous one.
The trouble is BMW design a great bike, but build rubbish bikes.
 
stever1 said:
I’m off to France next month on my NC750X, thinking about what ‘ emergency’ tools/equipment I’ll take.
That’ll just be a puncture repair kit then .:LOL:
I can’t believe how many people are just GS lemmings. :blast If you need to piss about fitting new batteries/relays etc it’s not worth having it.
I had 5 new BMW boxers between 2010 and 2019 (gs, rt, 2 x lc gs and a 1250gs) each newer version was a bit poorer quality than the previous one.
The trouble is BMW design a great bike, but build rubbish bikes.
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Sadly, this is true, at least in some cases. Mine works fine, most of the time, but just once in a while, lets me down. That’s ridiculous.

The inability of the dealers to resolve the issue, and BMW Motorrad’s lack of interest has pissed me off.

Obviously anyone who asks gets told about the history of problems, and of course, my next bike will not be a BMW.

It’s a shame that the sycophants who write the magazine articles don’t tell it how it is. They’d perhaps lose advertising revenue if they’d published a four page special on the unreliability of 1250s in the same issue where they previewed the launch of the 1300s…
 
stever1 said:
I’m off to France next month on my NC750X, thinking about what ‘ emergency’ tools/equipment I’ll take.
That’ll just be a puncture repair kit then .:LOL:
I can’t believe how many people are just GS lemmings. :blast If you need to piss about fitting new batteries/relays etc it’s not worth having it.
I had 5 new BMW boxers between 2010 and 2019 (gs, rt, 2 x lc gs and a 1250gs) each newer version was a bit poorer quality than the previous one.
The trouble is BMW design a great bike, but build rubbish bikes.
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And when the PCP/ warranty is done they’ll replace with another wankpanzer .
Saves having to engage the brain
 
Arsey said:
And when the PCP/ warranty is done they’ll replace with another wankpanzer .
Saves having to engage the brain
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It’s the PCP renting brigade that’s making bike prices so high. Why would manufacturers try to minimise price when all the renters just keep coming back ?
 
PCP was specifically designed to make money!

It makes money for the finance sector, and it sells vehicles.

Trebles all round!

Remember before PCP? Jags and Mercs were rare, farmers drove Landrovers and BMWs were small.

And now, the M25 is full of them.
 
Easy_Rider said:
PCP, never have, never will. If i cant pay for a bike or car in full in cash then i cant afford it.
Cash is great buying private or from a small independent dealer.
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But the trouble is , PCP allows people who can’t afford to buy it to rent it. Whilst so many
‘Poor’ folk are allowed to rent these things people who can afford to buy them will suffer.
It’s not just bikes though. Think about the folk who live in small, lower quality properties who drive so called quality cars.
Many of the younger generations want it all now, so they rent it on PCP.
Even mobile phones, why does anyone need a phone costing over a grand? . No one, but lots of users sign up for mobile phone deals at over £40-£50 a month.
personally I think in the long term it’ll damage the UK economy. Eventually younger people will own nothing, rent everything.
 
Easy_Rider said:
How much did you pay for the GBC007. I got mine for £20.13 with my Honey discount.
I also got the case for my GBX45 from there to, same price after using Honey.
The trick is to only add one at a time to your basket and pay. I saved £12.72 in total.
As there only up the road from me, i'm picking them up to save on postage.

NOCO GBC007

NOCO GBX45 CASE
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About £32, can’t be arsed to faff around just to save a tenner.

Not being stuck on a dark German/Belgian/French roadside in the rain trying to find a torx driver to undo the jump start cover is worth paying a few quid now for.

Thanks again for the idea, it hadn’t crossed my mind to fit an easy access cable. :thumb2
 
There may be the odd lemon, but to date I have never broken down in the 40 odd years I have been riding boxers, and by and large, the newer models have been every bit as reliable as the older ones, which needed more constant fettling (air heads) but at least they were easier to work on being far less complex. The introduction of pretty meaningless emissions standards for bikes has led to over complexity and reliance on electronics which seem to be the weak link on so many modern vehicles. They're not the only ones, so I feel the whole bmw unreliability tag is blown out of all proportion, at least based on my own experiences with them. Repeat a mantra three times and you start to believe it. What does seem to be true is there seems a few more "lemons" than there used to be so perhaps PDI checks need to be more rigorous? This applies equally to Triumphs, KTMs, Harleys and others. I had nothing but rouble with my last Harley, most of which was down to poor PDI checks and poor workmanship by the dealership concerned. I wouldn't touch another with a bargepole for that reason. I trust my beemer far more, more to the point, I have a good local dealership and trust them.
 
I share your ownership experience thus far until now, with a bike that I cannot depend on. It has failed to hot start on me four times now. I’m not the only one. It needs sorting properly.
 
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Morety said:
There may be the odd lemon, but to date I have never broken down in the 40 odd years I have been riding boxers, and by and large, the newer models have been every bit as reliable as the older ones, which needed more constant fettling (air heads) but at least they were easier to work on being far less complex. The introduction of pretty meaningless emissions standards for bikes has led to over complexity and reliance on electronics which seem to be the weak link on so many modern vehicles. They're not the only ones, so I feel the whole bmw unreliability tag is blown out of all proportion, at least based on my own experiences with them. Repeat a mantra three times and you start to believe it. What does seem to be true is there seems a few more "lemons" than there used to be so perhaps PDI checks need to be more rigorous? This applies equally to Triumphs, KTMs, Harleys and others. I had nothing but rouble with my last Harley, most of which was down to poor PDI checks and poor workmanship by the dealership concerned. I wouldn't touch another with a bargepole for that reason. I trust my beemer far more, more to the point, I have a good local dealership and trust them.
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There only needs to be one lemon if it’s your (bloody expensive) lemon.

As you found with Harley. I’m sure others swear they’re the best bike they ever had and never failed.

The starting/charging/decompressor/whatever is stupid, and should never have got to the point of multiple threads on here and a 41 pager on ABR. It wants a recall (actually, I want a recall) and fixed.
 
I’ve suspected the issue is the starter motor as the problem manifests itself after things get hot. The starter sits behind the engine with no cooling airflow, absorbs engine heat through its casing and radiant heat from the exhaust catalyst beneath it.

The guy PaddeeR on the Advrider forum found an issue with the brush pack stud insulation and replaced his starter motor to solve his issue as below:

Well some good news. For now, until it fails again, but hopefully not.
I've removed the starter, that was a fiddly task
Starter taking 300 amps free spinning!
The stud going into the brush housing was slightly shorting out to the body. It only has a small rubber o ring and sine plastic spacer inside.
Got a new starter off eBay, the bike started straight away, no issues. I had already convinced myself it's starter or maybe compression.
I was ready to look at the decompression valve next, but looks like the starter was my issue.
That's three new batteries, wiring checked, many hours of frustration all sorted.
 
Sounds like a recipe for another recall. They'll get onto it, possibly without fanfare and maybe not for a year or so, but generally things like this which look like clear design errors or procurement oversight's when specifying certain parts on performance spec are swept up. I've heard more about starter motor issues with later spec 1250's than with 1200's so perhaps they've changed parts?
 
SBD said:
PCP was specifically designed to make money!

It makes money for the finance sector, and it sells vehicles.

Trebles all round!

Remember before PCP? Jags and Mercs were rare, farmers drove Landrovers and BMWs were small.

And now, the M25 is full of them.
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A lot of these quality brands have lost their 'cache', now that every Chav and his dog have one........ delusions of grandeur:unsure:
 
FatAl said:
A lot of these quality brands have lost their 'cache', now that every Chav and his dog have one........ delusions of grandeur:unsure:
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0% finance on Rolex watches too! Lol


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Pukmeister said:
I’ve suspected the issue is the starter motor as the problem manifests itself after things get hot. The starter sits behind the engine with no cooling airflow, absorbs engine heat through its casing and radiant heat from the exhaust catalyst beneath it.

The guy PaddeeR on the Advrider forum found an issue with the brush pack stud insulation and replaced his starter motor to solve his issue as below:

Well some good news. For now, until it fails again, but hopefully not.
I've removed the starter, that was a fiddly task
Starter taking 300 amps free spinning!
The stud going into the brush housing was slightly shorting out to the body. It only has a small rubber o ring and sine plastic spacer inside.
Got a new starter off eBay, the bike started straight away, no issues. I had already convinced myself it's starter or maybe compression.
I was ready to look at the decompression valve next, but looks like the starter was my issue.
That's three new batteries, wiring checked, many hours of frustration all sorted.
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At least wasn’t alternator. That’s the grand daddy of electrical faults on GS!!


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TIJ650 said:
At least wasn’t alternator. That’s the grand daddy of electrical faults on GS!!


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Been there, done that (Hexhead GSA).

Sorted on the wet heads with an internal generator.

I’ve heard a tale not to leave the wet heads idling with the fan cutting in/out unless no choice eg stuck in city traffic. The water cooling circuit doesn’t cool enough to lower engine temps internally to remove heat from the stator windings, it just cools the heads apparently. Not sure if that’s BS but the early 1200’s reportedly suffered from stator insulation breakdown.
 
Morety said:
I've heard more about starter motor issues with later spec 1250's than with 1200's so perhaps they've changed parts?
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BMW’s parts often have a revision suffix when they update something, typically a dash and number eg - 01

The more recent 1250 starter number is 12 41 8 559 213 - 01

Not sure when the - 01 version started but I suspect my 2019 bike might have the earlier non-revised starter fitted. ( I’m currently awaiting Amazon to deliver me a dental mirror today so I can read the label on my starter motor.)
 
Pukmeister said:
BMW’s parts often have a revision suffix when they update something, typically a dash and number eg - 01

The more recent 1250 starter number is 12 41 8 559 213 - 01

Not sure when the - 01 version started but I suspect my 2019 bike might have the earlier non-revised starter fitted. ( I’m currently awaiting Amazon to deliver me a dental mirror today so I can read the label on my starter motor.)
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Go to Lidls they have those mirrors in the middle lidls TODAY!!!

I knew I should have got one
 
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