Bike test

[oldnfat]

If you have to rely of ASC to prevent a serious accident there is something wrong with your riding style.

Thanks for the concern, very touching as I don't know you. However, fear not as an IAM advanced rider and observer I am confident I have got that one licked.

I also agree that you should not ride with the expectation that ASC or indeed ABS is their to overcome every situation...it is an emergency back up.

In fact, whilst I think ABS is generally a good thing, I have mixed feelings about ASC as to your point....it may encourage people to ride beyond their limit or differently from what they otherwise might do given the conditions.

Therefore if it is fitted I think it is reasonable to expect it to be on when you think it is.

 

[APE]

Fair comment - and I'm not making any suggestion about the way you may or may not ride.

I do think ASC is overkill on a GS - different on a track bike where there is a risk of high side. For general road use I think a rider should be able to control the situation with their wrist. Also what's all this 'rain mode' about - supposing you rely on it and then forget to press the appropriate button.

But I agree if its there it should work - but still don't see this as a major issue with the LC.

 

[steveh]

Thanks for the concern, very touching as I don't know you. However, fear not as an IAM advanced rider and observer I am confident I have got that one licked.

.

shit do these new GS's have pipe holders and slipper friendly pegs or are these cost options?

 

[oldnfat]

shit do these new GS's have pipe holders and slipper friendly pegs or are these cost options?

Sadly I will never find out as the pension won't stretch to a new one..and imagine the disappointment when I found out the WC stood for water cooled and not water closet...had my hopes up there for a moment.

Fortunately BMW now do Gortex all weather slippers in a lovely beige check, somewhere to keep the coco warm and a bi focal screen. I also understand you can also get a Touratech Colostomy bag holder as well for a bargain price of £499.99 plus £30 P&P.

Happy days.

 

[steveh]

Sadly I will never find out as the pension won't stretch to a new one..and imagine the disappointment when I found out the WC stood for water cooled and not water closet...had my hopes up there for a moment.

Fortunately BMW now do Gortex all weather slippers in a lovely beige check, somewhere to keep the coco warm and a bi focal screen. I also understand you can also get a Touratech Colostomy bag holder as well for a bargain price of £499.99 plus £30 P&P.

Happy days.

 

[oldnfat]

Fair comment - and I'm not making any suggestion about the way you may or may not ride.

I do think ASC is overkill on a GS - different on a track bike where there is a risk of high side. For general road use I think a rider should be able to control the situation with their wrist. Also what's all this 'rain mode' about - supposing you rely on it and then forget to press the appropriate button.

But I agree if its there it should work - but still don't see this as a major issue with the LC.

Thanks APE, just joshing a little as it gets quite aggressive and personal on this forum...doesn't bother me personally as people are entitled to their opinion but I frankly have seen enough conflict in my former career to last a lifetime and try not to indulge.

Anyway, agree with the comments. A mate of mine has an MTS with programable everything...he sticks it in one mode then has left it there for the last 2 years....waste of money...a complex marketing gimmick according to him.

Having trained any number of individuals to ride I have to say that nothing beats being able to read the road and ride accordingly.

Prior to my current GSA I had a GS without ESA BUT with Wilbers with remote adjuster...best set up ever.

Would have gone for a non ESA GSA but the man in the shop tole me it would be hard to move on come time to sell....wish I hadn't listened.

 

[The Hobbit]

So what's new?
They did the same with the 1200 so why change the habits of a lifetime?

According to my dealer BMW have realesed a memo about the "Bike" Test

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

According to my dealer BMW have realesed a memo about the "Bike" Test

What does that mean?

An internal memo for internal consumption only or a memo to dealers giving the information to pass on to punters?

Andres

 

[The Hobbit]

What does that mean?

An internal memo for internal consumption only or a memo to dealers giving the information to pass on to punters?

Andres

What it says!

Dealer was happy for me to read it next time I was in but basically, as reported to me, claims that they have not seen this problem before and spent considerable time in SA trying to reproduce the fault at the same place with the same bikes and could not.
Means nothing in its self, but at least BMW are reacting to it.

 

[Engineer]

Good, I am happy your enjoyment hasn't been reduced....not trying to rain on peoples parade...quite the opposite. I agree there has been allot of nonsense spoken which is why I have relied on facts issued by a government body whose purpose it is to protect the buying public.

On this issue of supplier failings....I get it. However, the fork bolts are not a supplier issue but a manufacturing one. The ASC not reactivating when you think it has is also not great. Both could potentially cause injury or even death. These are not trivial matters and to treat them as such is irresponsible by the manufacturer...if this were a fuel strip failure then I would agree with your comments.

The other point is that as a consumer I do not go into the purchase of anything with the attitude that it is going to break or not perform to the expected standard. I certainly don't with say a washing machine therefore I am not sure why I should accept below par performance from a product that carries me and my wife down the M4 fast lane.

Ok the fork bolts on the old 1200 supposedly being loose (I am still not convinced of this) were a manufacturing issue. The 2013 bike fork thing is totally different and was a supplier issue as far I am aware (please tell me otherwise if someone has the evidence) - my small understanding is that it was a fitting in the fork slider that may possibly, after a long time work lose, and NOT the way the fork is fitted to the bike - ie. NOT the top bolt that connects it to the handlebars. The reason I know this is because I can see what mod the German technicians did to my bike - it is no big deal!!

The internet is just as efficient at spreading mis-information as it is for disseminating useful knowledge.

P.S there are loads of washing machines and fridges out there that catch fire and kill people and you would never know about it in advance.

 

[The Hobbit]

Ok the fork bolts on the old 1200 supposedly being loose (I am still not convinced of this) were a manufacturing issue. The 2013 bike fork thing is totally different and was a supplier issue as far I am aware (please tell me otherwise if someone has the evidence) - my small understanding is that it was a fitting in the fork slider that may possibly, after a long time work lose, and NOT the way the fork is fitted to the bike - ie. NOT the top bolt that connects it to the handlebars. The reason I know this is because I can see what mod the German technicians did to my bike - it is no big deal!!

The internet is just as efficient at spreading mis-information as it is for disseminating useful knowledge.

P.S there are loads of washing machines and fridges out there that catch fire and kill people and you would never know about it in advance.

So true !
I have one of those fridge freezers that seemingly catch fire and burn your house down, for around 3 years before a man came along with minimal fuss and put a new bit in

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

What it says!

Dealer was happy for me to read it next time I was in but basically, as reported to me, claims that they have not seen this problem before and spent considerable time in SA trying to reproduce the fault at the same place with the same bikes and could not.
Means nothing in its self, but at least BMW are reacting to it.

To be fair, they (WMB) announced that some time ago via the media so nothing new then

Andres

 

[oldnfat]

So true !
I have one of those fridge freezers that seemingly catch fire and burn your house down, for around 3 years before a man came along with minimal fuss and put a new bit in

A very good point... and an important safety message. I too had an errant appliance once...a washing machine as I recall.

The seal on the fabric softener drawer went under pressure spraying fluid all over the drum belt causing an out of control spin....sadly the computer in the dam thing was also on the blink...when I thought there was a control on the spin speed there wasn't and it went out of control and then to cap it all the bolts holding the thing together weren't tight enough and it fell apart on me....

....the only saving grace was that I wasn't going 85mph in the overtaking lane of a motor way at the time with a following fridge freezer up my jacksy...

....just lucky I guess but a close call.

 

[alp]

Yep, my nephew's house burnt down due to a washing machine fire. We never leave the house with any such thing left on now.
However, the days are dragging until my new GS arrives and the salt is being conveniently washed off the roads by the rain.
I'm not affected by the comments from those who air their depression on this site. We've all come across them at bike meets where you just walk away.
My friends riding 'run of the mill' Jap bikes have the impression that BMW owners are sensible/mature, clearly not all of them.
I don't expect that any significant faults there might be on such a new machine will be ignored or fought over with the dealer/manufacturer, unlike the GS's nearest competitor, this bike is tooooo important for BMW.

 

[oldnfat]

Ok the fork bolts on the old 1200 supposedly being loose (I am still not convinced of this) were a manufacturing issue. The 2013 bike fork thing is totally different and was a supplier issue as far I am aware (please tell me otherwise if someone has the evidence) - my small understanding is that it was a fitting in the fork slider that may possibly, after a long time work lose, and NOT the way the fork is fitted to the bike - ie. NOT the top bolt that connects it to the handlebars. The reason I know this is because I can see what mod the German technicians did to my bike - it is no big deal!!

The internet is just as efficient at spreading mis-information as it is for disseminating useful knowledge.

P.S there are loads of washing machines and fridges out there that catch fire and kill people and you would never know about it in advance.

Agree, which is why I have stuck to the facts...there is no doubt this is a fantastic bike and at some stage I hope to own one. I also agree with other comments that BMW will no doubt bend over backwards to ensure their product is just fine.

I guess some of you may be less demanding that me in that having 3 recalls during a launch phase requires a statement of intent from the manufacturer. My point was not to revel in my depression but suggest that the performance by BMW for people trusting them with £15K and more importantly their lives, is not good enough.

All the rumours and bollocks helps nobody and that is why BMW should be communicating openly and not having a wall of silence. By doing so they put everything in perspective and hopefully nip all the bollocks in the bud...so to speak.

Clearly my communication skills are lacking as this is what i meant in my first note...ah well.

 

[sidestand]

Took my GSA to Balderstons today for a 12K service
They had the new LC booked for a test ride in the afternoon, but it was free this morning, so the nice people there asked me if I wanted a go.....

Well, 2 hours & 100 miles through the Leicestershire/Rutland/Northants countryside later I can report that they are absolute rubbish .

Too light, too fast, & they handle too well !

I took out a red one with all the toys on ....it was fantastic .....the nearest I can compare it to for lightness & manoeuvrability is when I had a blast on my mate's new Tiger 800 a couple of years ago in the Pyrenees

I'm well impressed .......will be on my list for 2014

My twin cam GSA definitely felt lardy on the way back home

 

[Hammam]

... The ASC not reactivating when you think it has is also not great. Both could potentially cause injury or even death. These are not trivial matters and to treat them as such is irresponsible by the manufacturer...

So, millions of motorcycles before ASC was even invented, and hundreds of thousands of motorcycles sold without the ASC option, could cause injury or even death. Riding recklessly because you count on ASC to save your skin is irresponsible.

 

[Panzershrank]

Tank slap so violent it snapped the lock stop my arse

My first post, normally don't post much on forums but after reading the bollocks that ride mag published I felt compelled to write. I have spoken to a very good friend who recounted the actual story of what really happened, the journalist was ridding very fast off road with one hand the lock stops broke as a result of a near accident caused by ridding like a dick, it's testament to the bike that he stayed on and is still here to write bullshit, I don't think he will be invited to test ride many more bikes, irresponsible reporting like that can have a massive effect on the whole industry. I have ridden the new bike at my local dealer and can honestly say its a revelation, if you want my advice stop reading about it get down to your nearest dealer and ride it, if you are not smiling after it buy a car!

 

[Nutty]

My first post, normally don't post much on forums but after reading the bollocks that ride mag published I felt compelled to write. I have spoken to a very good friend who recounted the actual story of what really happened, the journalist was ridding very fast off road with one hand the lock stops broke as a result of a near accident caused by ridding like a dick, it's testament to the bike that he stayed on and is still here to write bullshit, I don't think he will be invited to test ride many more bikes, irresponsible reporting like that can have a massive effect on the whole industry. I have ridden the new bike at my local dealer and can honestly say its a revelation, if you want my advice stop reading about it get down to your nearest dealer and ride it, if you are not smiling after it buy a car!

First post you say Keep posting - you speak more sense than most on this irritating thread

 

[red1]

My first post, normally don't post much on forums but after reading the bollocks that ride mag published I felt compelled to write. I have spoken to a very good friend who recounted the actual story of what really happened, the journalist was ridding very fast off road with one hand the lock stops broke as a result of a near accident caused by ridding like a dick, it's testament to the bike that he stayed on and is still here to write bullshit, I don't think he will be invited to test ride many more bikes, irresponsible reporting like that can have a massive effect on the whole industry. I have ridden the new bike at my local dealer and can honestly say its a revelation, if you want my advice stop reading about it get down to your nearest dealer and ride it, if you are not smiling after it buy a car!

And how do we know your friend isn't talking total bollocks?